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8/13/2020 11:39:38 PM
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Good weekend for bastion or mountaintop users, i just decided to use a shotgun and an auto and have no dignity. I feel like in a different meta this would be a really good map, as i use to love it in comp
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  • There is no such thing as meta. There are only sheeple and curators. The Meta for sheeple is thinking that everyone else is using these guns...so they must be the best guns. For curators, the Meta is whatever the F&$@ you want, and if you're not trash, you can still win easy.

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  • [quote]There is no such thing as meta. There are only sheeple and curators. The Meta for sheeple is thinking that everyone else is using these guns...so they must be the best guns. For curators, the Meta is whatever the F&$@ you want, and if you're not trash, you can still win easy.[/quote] This is patently false. Certain weapons will always be better than others and those weapons become meta. It has nothing to do with what you're rambling about.

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  • Ok, explain how this is wrong: I know for a fact that good players can win with almost any weapon, if they use strategy, mod their armor, use subclass and exotic synergy, call out to teammates, and run from engagements you can't win. I've done wonders with Sturm and Drang. I use Ringing Nail as my AR. My favorite shotgun is the 7th Seraph CQC-12 (stupid name but awesome gun). I like Twilight Oath. I love the Service Revolver and Bygones and No Feelings! Sure, I like Revoker, Gnawing Hunger, Dire Promise, Mountaintop, and the Summoner just as much as the next guy... But to me, those are the Easy button. Easy is Meta, I suppose, if that's what you mean, but it doesn't HAVE to be.

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  • Meta = Most Effective Tool Available Nobody is saying you can't do well with what ever gun you want, but there are weapons out there that are just plain better than other weapons and those weapons become the most effective tools available. It has nothing to do with people being sheeple or whatever you're on about, it can be proven mathematically that certain weapons are just better.

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  • I like that. You taught me something today, and I thank you (not sarcastically, but genuinely). M.E.T.A. most effective tool available. Interesting! Ok, the Meta is the Easy button! If you want to win more engagements without showing skill... Sure, use the M.E.T.A. My point is that you don't HAVE to be a sheep. You can win, on any map, with a curated load out that you find fun and engaging. Just ask Frostbolt, Aztecross, Fallout, and Co. They don't make A LIVING using Meta weapons. They curate builds...and builds are what makes Destiny special. Let Meta be what Forkknife, CoD and Apex players have to abide by. Don't let Destiny become what we all secretly hate: Using the same weapons all the time.

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  • I wasn't denying that it's possible to win with whatever you want, I was just stating that Metas exist.

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  • Dude, no offense but you dont play pvp- there clearly is a meta if u played a lot of crucible you would understand how much of a disadvantage it is not using a 600rpm etc, and there always has to be a meta as bungie always over nerfs or over buffs

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  • The Meta as you describe it is simply the Easy button. I know it's easier to do well with Revoker than Tranquility. It's easier to get kills with Gnawing Hunger than Ringing Nail. It's easier to get kills with Dire Promise than Better Devils (I like Service Revolver personally). It's easier to get kills with these weapons, but it is NOT imperative. If your adversary is using them, you have to play strategic, and not give them EASY kills. Use cover, call out to teammates, use abilities, mod your armor, use subclass synergy and run from engagements you can't win. I play PvP, my dude. I know my shit.

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  • And u think i dont play pvp? Thats about all i play in this game, my point is, in a meta like this using anything other than an autorifle is a disadvantage, never before in destiny has the skillgap been so few that top stacked teams can loose to fairly average teams, ive beaten a team of 2kd+ people, one person with 500 flawlesses, because i crutched an auto and they allow easy trades.

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  • The Meta is the Easy button. I'll agree with that. My point about there not being a Meta is that there doesn't NEED to be a Meta you must follow in order to win. You can use Service Revolver, Ringing Nail and good subclass synergy with an exotic...and compete against Gnawing Hungers and Dire Promises. Trust me, I've done it.

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  • In quickplay, you can use anything i agree. Try use anything other than auto/shotgun/sidearm/sniper/arbalest (console) and ull see what i mean

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  • I hear ya. At least we’re not in the hard light meta!!

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