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Edited by Mr PwnzOr: 10/20/2017 2:32:36 PM
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After 3 Years of Defending Bungie, I Never Thought I'd Say This... (3 Year Destiny Veteran)

Hey all - Pwnzor here, Kill Confirmed represent. Frankly I feel strange. The Destiny 2 experience seems for the first time ... hopeless. I have defended Bungie for 3 years on every fault. Now.. I just don't know. After the Prestige Raid yesterday, I had one of those stare towards the sky with Crawling in my Skin playing as I question my commitment for the last 2 months - 3 years. For the first time ever, I feel Bungie has won - making their $60-110 buy in per player, and not giving the players what was so proudly delivered in the years of D1. Game is bought, with expansion pass, and the $10 starter Eververse package, and thats all they wanted it seems --- which makes sense from a business standpoint. Maximum profit for minimal effort. I will still continue to play, mostly Trials and PVP cause I enjoy them a lot in any game, but there are real issues that need to be addressed. [b]Quick Backstory (slight boasting to give you perspective):[/b] I never thought I'd see the day where I made a post like this. I have played Destiny in its entirety since its inception in 2014. I was one of the first 50 Fireteams to complete Vault of Glass, Crotas End, POE 32/34/35 (night 1 of HOW), Kings Fall. I was the Worlds First Titan to Solo Crota (just google Mr Pwnzor). I have gone Flawless as many times as I've stepped into Trial to try. I have completed the D2 raid on 2 separate accounts over 15 times. I have collected every exotic in all versions of the game. [u][b]NOW GETTING INTO THE ISSUES[/b][/u] On a given forum, there is normally a complaint about a few things that could use tuning. When you isolate those issues, they can be defended by a majority of hardcore players. When you compile the list and really stare at it, it's really just not something I can defend. If the technology and innovation for the below existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2? [b]"It's Crazy to Me” (My gripe with D2):[/b] [1] It's crazy to me that Power Level doesnt matter [2] It's crazy to me that they removed Weapon Rolls for replayability [3] It's crazy to me that 90% of Guns are useless regardless of [2] [4] It's crazy to me that Armor Ornaments no longer exist in game [5] It's crazy to me that Sparrow collection comes entirely from Eververse [6] It's crazy to me that Shader collection (less Trials and Raid) comes entirely from Eververse [7] It's crazy to me that Ship collection comes entirely from Eververse [8] It's crazy to me Token Systems become irrelevant after playing for 2 days [9] It's crazy to me that there are no Strike Specific Loot Options [10] It's crazy to me that there isn't a 6v6, 3v3, or additional PVP options [11] It's crazy to me that there are no Secret Exotics or Easter Eggs (Oryx Basketball Court) [12] It's crazy to me that Exotics look unique, feel unique, but do not act unique [13] It's crazy to me that Max Power Level can be reached with never doing endgame [14] It's crazy to me that there are no means of World Collection (Ghost, Calcified Frags, etc). [15] It's crazy to me that Raids give no incentive for replay-ability (seriously - I used to farm the SH!T out of raids for Ships, Raid Coveted Exotics, Shaders, etc.) [16] It's crazy to me that Vault of Glass is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [17] It's crazy to me that Crotas End is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [18] It's crazy to me that Kings Fall is 2 years older and yet seems 2 years ahead of Leviathan [19] It's crazy to me that Hard Mode (and frankly Normal Mode) Raid are simply for Vanity [20] It's crazy to me that Leviathan Raid is a Gameshow and not a Raid [21] It's crazy to me that Factions do not always exist [22] It's crazy to me that I have 2700 Legendary Shards and nothing to spend them on [23] It's crazy to me that no one looks forward to Xur [24] It's crazy to me that there is no arena like POE [25] It's crazy to me that there is no open world arena like Court of Oryx/Archons Forge [26] It's crazy to me that Sparrow Racing isnt in the game [27] It's crazy to me that Sparrows cant do backflips like the Hotwheels Sparrow TDB model [28] It's crazy to me that the meta leans towards 1 path 1 subclass for each class [29] It's crazy to me that Planetary Materials are useless [30] It's crazy to me that gear doesn't require being upgraded (took legit 3 seconds) [31] It's crazy to me that Trials isnt even hard this year [32] It's crazy to me that Public Events, Lost Sectors, Chest Looting, Adventures - are all useless [33] It's crazy to me that this Game is so casual it has driven all of my best mates away [34] It's crazy to me that I will continue to play with hopes of it becoming better [35] It's crazy to me that I can even see myself playing a different game soon, only 1 month after release. TL:DR The technology and innovation for the above existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2. If it is a means of having people pay for more Content, then that is just wrong. Bungie has made the game too casual in an attempt to cater to everyone. Even the casuals find it too casual. Hoping there is a light at the end of this Dark, Dark tunnel. I can guarantee one thing - if there isn't a raid being release in the December DLC, alongside a complete loot system and token system overhaul, then this game is going to die. EDIT: All - just wanted to say thank you all for reading and providing your comments, concerns, and criticisms. We have been top trending for almost 24 hours. Trials has been canceled since this post (crazy?). I will continue to play PVP but let’s hope bungie makes the little changes we would enjoy so much! EDIT 2: Guardians, we’ve reach 1000 upvotes which is truly something else! I wish I could respond to all of your questions and concerns but there are just so many posts now. I’ll give some quick general responses here —�— I think pvp is fun and don’t have many issues (I know many do), I think selling old features as DLC is cash grabbing, I love destiny still just want the inherently needed changes, population should not be dropping this fast, any comprehensive MMORPG in history has expanded its world not shrunk it regardless if they dumbed it down, Trials being canceled makes me sad; all being said I am GOING TO STAY HOPEFUL. [b]ADDITIONALLY -[/b] I have put a job application in with Bungie. As an avid video gamer and dedicated player since Halo 1, with professional experience in WOW and other titles, I feel I could help the team. I am a mechanical and control systems engineer doing project management in New York City currently. My background and professional experience certainly makes me qualified. This has always been a dream of mine - I haven’t given up yet, so maybe I can help. Hope Luke Smith or Cozmo see this and spread the word lol.

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  • Edited by Chronos: 10/20/2017 3:23:50 PM
    I agree with everything said here. I hope Bungie sees this, pays attention to it along with like minded opinions and starts laying out the ground work for making the game better. As it is right now, it's replay is worse then Y1 D1 was. Coming off of Y3 that shouldn't have been the case. The goal should have been to build on that not revert back to Y1 and take a steps backwards from there. As D2 stands now, it would have been better off as a DLC to add to D1 rather than a separate skeleton game.

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    • I'm crawling in my skin... these wounds, they willll not heal...

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      • Man I’ve been defending this game as well in regards to the changes for D2 - mostly saying that all the negativity in the forums and constant whining got them exactly what they wanted in this game, which was a more casual 0 loot grind system. Now, being mostly a PvP player, I must eat crow and agree that I feel nothing keeping me here and the complaints are warranted. I’m still keeping hope alive for the first balance/update patch - but the more we see coming out of Bungie’s mouth - the less they care or don’t want actually set forth some sort of plan or statement about the future of the game. Anyway, carry on - maybe one day this game will get better, but my how it has fallen.

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      • Hope this helps. https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/10/19/bungie-and-activisions-badly-scheduled-deal-is-what-hurt-destiny-2-the-most/

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        • I agree bro, it's really sad to see. Never a pre order from me ever again.

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          • I have to agree with most of this. I played D1 since Alpha. I quit for a year because life majorly got in the way of playing anything. I came back and played nonstop ever since. I didn't preorder D2 until about two weeks before release because I wasn't sure about it. At first starting it, I loved parts of it. I loved the lead in for the story. I loved the new Hunter Arcstrider subclass... Note HUNTER subclass... I don't really care for Sentinel much (maybe I just haven't gotten into it). Dawnblade.... It's a half like half dislike. The funny/sad thing about all that... Is now after maxing all Hunter subclasses out... I still main Nightstalker. I just noticed it yesterday when running challenges on Arcstrider, I have MOST of my high light armor all set to Void mods only because I use it 99% of the time. It's a new game, you would think I would be loving the new subclass so much more than the last one to be added on D1. I went from planning to take my time on Warlock and Titan story missions to rushing them in under a week because Banner restricted reward access until you got to Tower. Yet we were allowed to play the matches and get tokens for wins or losses BEFORE being maxed out so what was the point in restricting Saladin access? Big pet peeve is this... D2 Beta had starter mission then instantly jumped to a strike, and my friends as well as myself were all wondering what happened between that mission and the strike to lead up to it. Surely it was all story related right?... Play official D2 and find out not only was it not tied to main story, NONE of the strikes in D2 are tied to the main story. They're all random side bits that have no effect on the overall storyline. During Banner last week.... I spoke with a long time Destiny friend of mine, they have already stopped playing D2 for the most part but might come back for an expansion. What I told them was that once Banner was over.... I was actually thoroughly enjoying the idea of playing other games again without having to grind out missions nonstop to be able to access such and such event or a certain level by a certain time. I can have fun on other games more than I can on D2 now and it's only a month since release? How is that logical? Yes I have the expansion pass, yes I had preorder, and yet the game still has glitches in it for me on preordered bonus items. I've done main story on all 3 characters and yet for some reason I'm still unable to get the Kill Tracker Ghost from Shaxx. I'll be back in December to see what expansion is like. Until then I'll mainly be on for weekly reward to max out Warlock and Titan light and then I'll be playing other things.

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            • I agree with this guy ive played since beta of D1 hardcore players are not rewarded for nothing prestige nightfall is useless anyone can get better loot for doing it all normal mode. There is no real play ablility here if my friend play something else i will switch games. Excotics are just handed out like candy and there useless i have done everything in the game multiple times and a guy doing public events and patrols is 305 just like me garbage D2 is destiny for dummies lets give everything for everybody participation rewards. Token system is useless after you get a couple guns who cares about tokens anywhere anymore. There should be better loot for better players 3800 legendary shards and there useless because everything i get is useless i hate to see tokens anymore. 1)there should fixed shaders because you never get enough of the ones you actually like 2) should be better loot for prestige anything if you cant do it then you dont need it 3) Replayable ability why replay anything if your going to just get stuff you break down 4)make guns,armor you actually want to grind for and fell excited to get 5)why are there no bosses in the raid but 1 why when i open a chest i just get tokens then i got to go to the robot slot machine 6) i can not buy any weapons ,armor nothing everyone is just a slot machine you get the same stuff out of if i get another Lincoln green i might cry 7)fixed roles suck because you need more guns and armor if you have fixed roles. 8) Xur is useless Excotics are useless and everyone has them all so why doea he even come 9.were are the great legendary s fate bringer, black hammer, smite of merrian take nay of these guns and wipe anything out in D2 in 2 shots Give me something to geind for a reason to play loot thats hard to get that only the few have something that makes you proud to be at the tower and be a hardcore player.

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            • Edited by Haze_Blazed_You: 10/20/2017 7:17:19 PM
              Look I agree with a lot of what you said. Weapon rolls need to come back, loot trees need to be expanded, and there should be raid/prestige exclusive exotics that MATTER. If they want to balance things for those who cant/dont raid, then give PvP stats to weapons and/or make certain weapons unusable in crucible. In reality, those who game longer and harder get the better stuff - not always fair to those with more responsibility, but thats just how it is. HOWEVER - That being said, be realistic on your part. ALL GAMES END. They promised 40+ hours of story game play and depending on how hard you may or may not have rushed through all the stories per planet, they delivered well enough. They had a raid out within a week. Crucible is more balanced and welcoming to new players and solo artists, while also being fair enough to prevent 1 person from dominating entire matches too often (can still happen just not often). The gameplay is fun, the class changes are cool, of course long timers miss some of their old stuff but this is a different game. Its going to be different. D1 had years to build its content. This game has had 2 months, not even. Give it time. All content in any game ends at some point, especially if you rush to complete it. Yes, you want more. We all do. But the content thats there was well worth the money and time, and theres more to come. Stop blaming Bungie for your game ending. All games freakin end, dude. If you want destiny 1 (aka, your " where is all the stuff D1 had?") then go play D1. This is a new game, with new stuff on the way, new stuff available, and a various assortment of new stories to explore. New game, and all games end at some point. Keep that in mind.

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              I would recommend getting a wife/life other than a video game

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              • #HirePwnzor

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              • Havent laughed this hard at a post in awhile. Thanks boner!

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              • Edited by LoneWolf081516: 10/20/2017 6:03:56 PM
                I maybe alone on this thought, but I think it would awesome if Bungie merged the two Destiny’s together. I know for story purposes it would work, but imagine if we could still go to the Cosmodrome, the Moon, Venus, Mars, Phoebus, Felwinter’s Peak, Plaguelands or the Reef. I am hopeful that the next DLC will reintroduce these planets, but it’s doubtful.

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                • If you get the job would you make this a bigger game?

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                • Honestly the state of destiny 2 rn and the state of bungie is sickening. I too always supported bungie but no more. Let's get the rebellion going!

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                • Great post. Had a good time reading your opinions, Guardian. Hopefully, the forums would be filled with constructive and rational criticisms and reviews like this one. If we continue this up, we may actually have a response from Bungie.

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                • Edited by MR MAIN3674: 10/20/2017 6:38:09 PM
                  I think one of the problems we are battling with is the fact the same corporation owns what is probably seen as a Rival shooter, Call of duty! Does the trials ban co inside with the launch of the new call of duty? Lol how coincidental, and lets face it, if they had all of these things in the game to keep the gamer tuned in as much as we would like, then the average person wouldn't even think about buying the new call of duty! So let's take the most competitive PVP aspect out of the game round about the same time CoD WW2 is set to release and then after everyone gets bored of that after about a month, when it normally only takes a week tops to lose interest in call of duty, we will drop the new DLC for destiny! Lol! The game designers know what people want, what keep people interested, they can see how many people are logging on to their servers and for what reason, they aren't ignorant or stupid, I just think destiny is just falling victim to the broader picture, the balancing of both of these First person shooters to keep us buying each title. I for one have hated call of duty since black ops 1 and wouldn't touch the new call of duty is you paid me.

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                • Edited by Nimmer: 10/20/2017 6:32:23 PM
                  The game runs on the exact same engine as D1. Bungie could have taken D1 down for a few weeks, if need be, and sell D2 as an expansion including a bunch of new stuff. D2, to me, feels like a cash grab to be perfectly honest. Also, including a ranked PvP system and private matches are absolutely, for sure, standard gameplay elements in any FPS in 2017. Or 2016. Or two thousand and -blam!-ing four when Halo 2 was released. Instead, we got microtransactions gating a ton of content. There is no excuse for this game; it was a cash grab.

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                • Bump

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                • Edited by BlazedMamba7911: 10/20/2017 5:54:08 PM
                  This guy f ucks

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                  • absolutely spot on yr 1 player over 6000 hrs over 3 accounts on D1 this is utter shite im done and soooooooo dissappointed the thing that really bugs me is the fact at how they keep going on that they got it right....!!!!!!! all newbs will be buzzin but for veterans theres 3 weeks content at most no grind what so ever, so what if a newb cant complete a raid, play something else...!!!! 3 subclasses finished in 1 day took me a month to complete 1 in D1..!!! ill stop now I'm getting wound up at the money ive paid for this supposedly better title so many people are screaming bungie trust me you have not got it right...... D1 way more fun..........

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                  • ^ completely agree!

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                  • I loved those points. I agree with every one of them. I also can add a few myself. It's crazy to me how fan boys can still defend this game. It's crazy to me how Bungie expects me to care that The Speaker was captured and killed by Ghaul. It's crazy to me how players can go into a loot based game then celebrate weaker gear It's crazy to me that after 3 years there is no story continuity. Efrideet, anyone? It's crazy to me how people told me, "Relax, it's just the Beta...."

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                    • Edited by EnoX NiX: 10/20/2017 5:57:20 PM
                      I totally agree with you.

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                      • Edited by gx5cpx: 10/20/2017 4:38:16 PM
                        This is a great post and I agree with it but nothing will change as long as people keep buying their games. I'm sorry guys but we can come all day on their forums and whine and complain but it won't change as long as their pockets are full of cash and their player count is high. Destiny 1 released and didn't feel complete, then after 3 years it felt like a full full game with lots of content, so what do they do with Destiny 2? They release LESS content in the Destiny 2 end game than the first one and it's going to be the same thing...after a couple years, the game will feel full. A sequel shouldn't remove almost all the features from the first game. I loved TTK but after they released eververse it left a sour taste in my mouth. The problem with microtransactions for me is not that I have to spend more money. The problem is they effect game development. Now when devs make something they constantly have to think about how can we make more money with our model. So guess what, now we can't get ships or sparrows unless it's through eververse. Now we cant get shaders unless it's through eververse. It effected the development of the game and it's sad. Every thing they do is in the back of their minds, how can we make more money. It just effects game development. I played the PS4 Alpha. I go way back with Destiny but this version of Destiny has less content and some of the dumbest design decisions I've ever seen.

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                        • Edited by Dubfire33: 10/20/2017 4:34:46 PM
                          Ha my up-vote must have been worth 10 points because it jumped from 1130 to 1140 when I clicked it. Anyhoo, thank you for this post. You have encapsulated my thoughts on this game. I was just thinking about a lot of what you wrote about on my drive in to work this morning, having played last night for the first time a few days. I only spent about 30 mins playing last night and I felt like that was plenty. Cleared up the flashpoint, checked out my inventory and I was done. It feels as if there is only the grind to up a Power level that doesn't matter. In D1 I could grind away some bounties, maybe I needed to farm some Relic Iron for a certain weapon or armor upgrade, maybe I could try to complete some tasks for the quests that I had. In D2, I don't really bother with patrols, I haven't touched the adventures and I haven't even finished off all the quests yet. So yea I guess there is stuff to do but, why? More tokens for static weapons and armor? It's all bit disappointing.

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                        • If I could like this post a 100 times, it still wouldn't be enough! Your not crazy friend! I've been scratching my head over this "sequel" myself. Can only hope it can get better, I'm mean could it get worse???

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