The biggest problem with Tier 5 weapons right now is simple: they will never feel as special as Adept weapons used to, and it’s because of how Bungie handled them from day one.
During the entire Edge of Fate era, Tier 5s were easy to get. They dropped everywhere. People were crafting them, farming them, and filling their vaults without much effort. For months, Tier 5 was basically the standard, not a reward for overcoming difficult content, but just another slot in your inventory.
Now Renegades releases and suddenly Bungie wants Tier 5 to be the new prestige, the thing you chase, the thing that’s meant to mirror what Adepts used to be. Except the magic is gone. You can’t let everyone get Tier 5s for half a year and then flip the switch later expecting them to suddenly feel rare and rewarding. That sense of exclusivity, the thrill of the drop, the recognition that you earned something difficult. Adepts had that. Tier 5 never will.
When you saw someone with an Adept in the past, you knew they worked for it. You knew where it came from. It meant flawless runs, GMs, mastery. There was prestige attached. Tier 5 weapons now? They’re just common loot with better perks. No one looks at one and feels impressed. No one feels that dopamine hit they used to get pulling an Adept after a tough clear.
You can try to make Tier 5 rarer after the fact, but the moment already passed. It’s hard to make something feel special after the community has already mass collected it like candy.
If Bungie wants weapons to feel meaningful again, they need to bring back that sense of earn it, not wait for us to change the value later. Adepts felt rewarding because they were tied to accomplishment. Tier 5 feels like a system, not a trophy.
And you can’t patch nostalgia or prestige back in.
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6 RepliesEdited by ForeverLaxx: 12/5/2025 8:08:45 PMDon't worry, Adepts didn't mean anything or "feel special" either. So many people had them that were obviously carried through the content they were awarded in that the (Adept) part of the weapon's name was only a point of pride for the delusional. No one cared and it meant nothing. Why be mad that other players have access to gear that powers their build in a game increasingly designed around "buildcrafting" to the point that if you're not at least Tier 4, you're going to have too large of a stat deficit? Do you value your time in game based on how much "higher" on the gear totem pole you are when compared to other players? And if so, why? Complain that Bungie provides too little content to use this gear in, not that players have access to gear. Your priorities are all messed up.
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Guardian,Archon Of LightEliksni at Heart,Archon of House Light - 12/7/2025 10:10:51 AM
Because Adepts had to be earned, either in GMs or Lighthouse In Edge Of Fate you got handed tier 5s passively just for being the right number -
Nah adepts outside of trials didn't feel that crazy and even then that's debatable in a fashion, atleast not after the first time. No, what scratched the aspiration truly was pinnacle weapons because they were not only unique frames with amazing stats they also carried perks not found on any other weapon. You had to do something over a stretch of time that isn't determined by rng slot machine bs. You had to be skilled to complete the quests for them. T5s were never gonna be that as they pretty much spelled out you put in the time here's your reward triple perks enhanced everything have fun. But they also want to hamstring it to bait for more engagement when they only have their core players left and they certainly not gonna want to do more work for the same reward.
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1 ReplyEdited by Obelix: 12/5/2025 11:30:15 AMThey need to shift to cosmetic rewards for high achievement, that’s really what Adept were. They did not feel better to play with, nor more powerful, they were just a status symbol. Just add a Tier 5 Adept skin for the hardcore.
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I never got a good adept weapon. Even after farming my eyes into a squishy semi gooey state. For me T5’s feel good because I have a much better shot at a good roll.
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Too long to read but I agree Buff Fusion Rifles
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In the current featured system, 99% of Tier 5s are just throwaway junk that you dismantle at the end of the season.
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Couldn't agree more. When you had your perfect roll Adept drop, with the right perks and MW, it felt better than getting an exotic. And, you either got it one of two ways... commitment to farming, or you got carried, but it felt good, either way. More recently, Adepts being handed to you, or T5s just don't have that same feeling.
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T5 weapons are basically the "standard" after EoF. Anything lower is a "lesser" tier and doesnt really feel worth trying for at this point. Its honestly not much different from my view from the Adept era. If there was an adept variant of a weapon, then thats the one I worked on getting and only if I got an absolute god-roll of the standard version, would I keep it. I think what is currently missing is a special way to get guaranteed t5 weapons. The way that the Portal system operated, based only on power level, and the fact that you could drop t5 from extremely easy runs devalued them and the entire tier system as a whole (outside of the DP raid). What they should have done at the time, was only have t5 drop from the repeatable conquests, or a mode with set modifiers that were more difficult than how we could get them in the portal. I am honestly still burnt out in Portal from the EoF power grind (I stopped playing portal PvE around mid September after hitting 520), so Im not even trying to farm loot in the portal in Renegades yet. I have been working on solo/flawless runs in the conquests, which have the worst out of almost all activities in Portal. Conquests should feel valuable, and currently they are kind of one and done, and are often more difficult than standard portal due to the curated modifiers.
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Adepts were piss easy to get too. T5's were special at first but the majority hated them being too rare.
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Tier 5 being locked behind a shitty grind that resets itself every couple months was the original Strat. It made sense on paper and gave tier 5 value but some people were able to grind to tier 5 levels in week 1 of edge of fate which resulted in heavy handed grind nerfs which only made issues even worse. Now I’m getting tier 4 or 5 dropping as a returning player in the new dlc with only 300 ish light when I started in my warlock. It does take away the value now that the best of best gear is rather easy to acquire. But Id rather personally just be able to get the good stuff sooner so I can enjoy it longer before there’s more new stuff to use