[quote]Bioware's downfall has a lot to do with spoiled fans[/quote] You mean fans expecting a game of the quality of the last two they made? [quote]and the owners of the company leaving.[/quote] ... Ray Muzyka and the other guy left AFTER the ME3 ending debacle. [quote]The hate Bioware got for Mass Effect 3 was from a bunch of spoiled fan boys whining about the ending.[/quote] I'm not one of them. While the endings are absolutely atrocious, the game has A LOT of other problems. Fetch quest side missions, Autodialogue, choices amounting to nothing (not just in the end, but throughout the game), random a$$ continuity errors and plot holes, and above all, a plot that focused on Cerberus rather than the Reapers. [quote]Even I, someone who couldn't care less about Mass Effect, saw they put a lot of quality into the game that was greatly overlooked due to the original endings.[/quote] And I, as a person who's been with the series since the original, saw all the shortcomings that were also overlooked due to the obsession with the endings. The main flaws are within the things that is most important to Mass Effect- the writing (Cerberus focused plot, random continuity) and the dialogue and non-gameplay RPG elements (autodialogue, choices mattering in terms of story). [quote]Similar to the hate Bungie gets for Reach, and 343i gets for Halo 4.[/quote] Not at all similar. Bungie and 343 didn't straight up lie to us, and the problems that they have are mainly to do with the multiplayer aspect of the game. [quote] Both games are good,[/quote] Subjective. I agree, but others might disagree. [quote]just people find changes that they don't like and complain for years about.[/quote] Are you implying the bad things about ME3 are the changes to its core systems like Halo Reach and 4? That's totally incorrect. ME3's combat and RPG changes were [I]welcomed[/I] by the community after the lacklustre combat in the previous games and the terrible streamlining of RPG elements in ME2. ME3's main problem lies in its execution and writing. It had a hell of a stable base to work off. It's just Bioware didn't work properly off it. As opposed to Halo 4 and Reach, where Bungie and 343 altered the base but still created a high quality game. Just one that tampered with the core of the series, thus pissing everyone off.