A simple mocking reference to Kata being like Cayde treated like some grand mystery.

Not simple at all. Not some grand mystery either... But relevant to the events and narrative in Episode 2. Katabasis and Cayde were obviously connected in some way... he carried his rifle. And Qinzig never said "Cayde"... That's where Katabasis's mind went when he saw the Psion torturing the Scorn they captured. That's why that exchange is interesting to me. The context, what was happening around their conversation. To elaborate... Of all the major connections/relationships in Cayde's life? We know about almost every one. In-game or in the lore, they're represented from Cayde's POV. Except Katabasis... And we know there's significance because of this exchange... whether Qinzig meant Cayde when she said, "Such concern for a Hunter." Only emphasizes that.... If Qinzig was talking about Cayde, why that moment? And why did Katabasis think of Cayde, regardless? D.M.T. could have been circumstantial without this moment. Here's another thing: Cayde chose his own assignments and often operated alone outside of Vanguard oversight. He chose to go after Fikrul... he imprisoned Uldren in the PoE. But we still don't know why? Or rather why Cayde chose to do that. We don't know why Cayde was on the shore BEFORE the prison break. He beat us to the Tangled Shore, because he was ALREADY THERE! Cayde was already there looking for someone, or something. And the Glykon was hidden in that Reef. Why does this matter? Context. Qinzig was torturing the Scorn for ops about the Darkness. And the original Exo experiment's directive was the same thing. So, in that moment Katabasis thought about Cayde being tortured during those Exo experiments. At the very least Katabasis knew, and if Qinzig was referencing Cayde... she knew too. I think Cayde did talk about Katabasis. That's why this moment IS interesting to me. There are a few candidates... my mind immediately goes to the Tyranny of Heaven lore: [url=https://www.destinypedia.com/Tyranny_of_Heaven#Lore]Tyranny of Heaven[/url] Tallulah Fairwind - except Katabasis was a dude. However, she did choose the death card... Caliban was there. This event in the lore calls into question Cayde's fascination with playing cards. Did he ever play cards with the Amhakara? But I don't think it's either of them.

The line was he was showing concern that’s unlike a Hunter. And the Hunter known best for concern and compassion and kindness is Cayde. So it makes sense Kata thought of him. It’s not like Cayde wasn’t a Vanguard and well known or anything to be referenced by the two characters. I mean he only gets mentioned all the time by everyone lol Mind reading a character who has little lore time is silly, that’s really just making stuff up there. And citing lore that has nothing to do with Kata or Cayde and rambling about cards is equally asinine. You tried and failed to make the connection and brought up unrelated lore. That’s why you’re a joke lol

Nope. [i]"—so I thought the Reef would hold some answers for me. They've got some kind of Queen out there who knows things. But getting to her is proving to be quite the jaunt. She's got me chasing Vex all across the system looking for something called the Vault of Glass. Whaddya say, Ace, ever heard of it?— —from the journals of Cayde-6"[/i] And there's so much more, lol. See, you don't play the game or read the lore. There were many Hunter Vanguards, bubby. Andal... she (he 😬 my bad) was the 1st. And Cayde had beef with Taniks, thought he killed him... it's how he became the Hunter Vanguard. But Fikrul and the Scorn... and who Katabasis was? What his exact connection to Cayde is? That's what's interesting.

“Some kind of queen” “something called the Vault of Glass” A journal that predates base D1, where we met the queen and got her name and found the vault thus showing this entry is OLD chronologically and substance wise has no bearing on Forsaken. Nope. I know the lore better than you obviously. You cited something that has no bearing on what was just being discussed lol You seem to be stuck on silly mode. What about the other Hunter Vanguards is relevant? You made no argument there. Pointing out that water is wet isn’t making a point. Andal was a dude, not a woman. 🤦 Taniks has nothing to do with anything you’re talking about, throwing out references like it means you know something is a sign of having nothing. You can’t show any connection so there’s nothing to be interesting to begin with. See, anytime someone engages with your ideas they are shown to be nothing but smoke and mirrors with obvious flaws. And calling Andal a she is obvious trolling. Kinda like how your grand theory is that Savathun made a video game and that’s what we are playing in lol

The other interesting thing is the events around the creation of the Scorn. Uldren created the Scorn. Why? Why IF that happened aboard the Glykon, in collaboration with Calus... did Qinzig need to capture and torture some of them? Weren't they working together? Or did Uldren betray Calus at some point. 2. This happened in Mara's reef... the Scorn were created by her brother while they were telepathically linked. If you don't think the origin of the Scorn will be relevant in Episode 2 you're mistaken. Cayde's connection to the Elikinsni? Lol. [url=https://www.destinypedia.com/Bold_Endings]Bold Endings[/url] That's new. [i]"Cayde deals out a countably infinite number of cards, but runs out before he can give all his players a full hand. He sighs and scuffs his feet on the floor. "If I'm here," he says, "I guess they figure I'll never do anything new or confusing again. They got enough on Nessus to approximate me, and they don't expect to get any more. So I must be dead, huh?""[/i] Now, I'm jumping around a bit... this is from Forsaken about the Collapse, and one of the reasons I don't think Quria is dead. And this IS WHY that OLD lore matters, it's new too: [url=https://www.destinypedia.com/Hunter's_Journal#Lore]Hunter's Journal[/url]

“If that happened…” So you are making all this up, thanks for admitting it.

No it's a theory, supported by attribution... contemporaneously: [i]"A collection of memories made real by the Traveler's Light. "How many lifetimes have you lived?" someone will ask, and the answer always depends. Most Ghosts will say that their Guardian has lived two lives: the one before their first resurrection, and the one they're living now. Some Lightbearers go by the number of times they've fallen in battle, knowing that the count doesn't end unless their Ghost is ended first. Exos like Cayde-6, have it the hardest—which might be why he likes to keep everything in one place, between the pages of a journal. His mentor, Andal Brask, exists only in his memory and the strokes of a charcoal sketch that Sundance claimed "looks nothing like him." So Cayde drew her too, agonizing over the precise angles of her shell and the special way her Light refracted at dusk and dawn. There's a poem about all his Vanguard paperwork, and a disclaimer beneath it that he is not—and never will be—a poet. Entire pages dedicated to half-remembered dreams of the Golden Age, and a family that he fears is only wishful thinking. Physical mementos, too, tucked between the pages or fastened to them. A ramen ticket. A feather from the Colonel. A playing card stolen from a deck that he and Shiro once shared. Wild sage grown in the mountains outside the Last City, where he and Sundance used to escape when the Tower started feeling like a tomb. When Cayde rubs the brittle leaves between his fingers, they crumble into a mealy dust. Its smell makes his heart ache. Crow does not ask Cayde how many lifetimes he's lived, although he's curious what the answer would be. [u]He also does not ask where the journal came from, or why it might be here in the Pale Heart with him[/u]. It's a question that would inevitably lead to others—and neither of them are ready for that conversation. Even if they both know it must be coming. So he gives it to you. To hold onto".[/i] That's why Cayde's journal is important. And then there's this, Ikora, [i]"Savathûn in her Osiris mask personally oversaw the first expedition to the Glykon Volatus. What did she gain? Was she confirming the success of a game against Calus—an assassination by proxy? Listen to the comments she made. "Those spores are harmonizing with a nearby concentration of Darkness." How casually she speaks of the Darkness, like it is another substance to gather and pump. Did she mean to trick us into treating Darkness instrumentally? Just fluid, just a black ooze of evil".[/i] [url=https://www.destinypedia.com/The_Hidden_Dossier#SUBJ:_PERSONAL_EXAMINATION_OF_THE_GLYKON_VOLATUS_DERELICT]PERSONA EXAMINATION OF THE GLYKON VOLATUS DERELICT[/url]

No, it’s a claim made by cherry picking. Kinda like how you claimed the TFS trailer location was the Distributary because the trailer had a campfire scene in it and you cited a lore entry happening within the Distrubtary around a campfire. You said ‘because there is a camp fire in the Distrubtary in the lore the location in the location in the trailer trailer is the same place’ Your “comparative analysis” is little more than finding similar words then making up a shallow and convulted ideas around them. I don’t even need to look up anything anymore to rebuke your nonsense. But you have to keep pulling up lore to make long quotes amounting to nothing and citing destinypedia non-stop like you need the ad revenue to keep it open lol You started this to waste our time but now it’s just wasting yours lol

Not cherry picking... linking... Ikora, [i]"Guardian, I hesitate. I am touched by doubt. We must speak clearly. But you can't talk precisely without knowing precisely who you're talking to. (Think of everything we said to Osiris—) I feel as if I know you. But have I ever allowed you to know me? I used to act as fast as I thought, and sometimes much faster. That's youth. Eventually I made too many mistakes to ignore; that's youth too, ignoring your mistakes until they pile up and topple. I dug myself out. I learned to keep myself hidden. Hidden purpose, hidden knowledge. A hidden Ikora, and for the world, a face of perfect composure and intent. Even when we lost the Traveler, I went to Io to hide my confusion. I am going to try to un-hide myself. I may frighten or confuse you. I am not an easy person to know. This is a folio of intelligence reports from my Hidden network. It will illuminate the events leading up to the current apokalypsis. In the original Koine Greek, that word means unveiling, and also revelation. In the spirit of unveiling I have also included fragments of my own personal writing about the nature of Darkness and Light. They are less the work of Ikora Rey the great Warlock Vanguard than of ikora rey, the unfashioned and uncertain woman. In the early Books of Sorrow, Savathun scribbles a warning that Oryx's text is full of lies. [u]Mara Sov's hagiography and self-indictment[/u], the Marasenna, warns the reader to remember that it is narrated in the first person, even and especially when it pretends to be objective. Truth is always edited by the truthteller. I give you no such warning. This is the unaltered truth of what I know and who I am. May it bring you to the clarity I have sought. Ikora".[/i] You really should read the lore, lol. 😇 👍💠 [url=https://www.destinypedia.com/The_Hidden_Dossier#Letter_From_Ikora.5BNote_1.5D]Letter from Ikora[/url] You're going to see... bubby. It's all connected.

Yeah you said that about your FS predictions too ‘Caydes the hero setup by Maya to stop the Darkness. She knew it all along, she’s the Madonna. She did it all to save us’ When all he did was save us after we stopped the Darkness and Maya turned out to be a bad guy trying to kill us. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[i]"Caydes the hero setup by Maya to stop the Darkness. She knew it all along, she’s the Madonna. She did it all to save us’"[/i] You really don't play the game do you? Just wait. That lore I found for next week is relevant, a piece of that puzzle... not going to link it, because that's CoC. Sry. This isn't a spoiler, do you know about this: [i]"The Hydra speaks to you in your own voice. "I have simulated Dûl Incaru as well as I can. While Vex cannot normally account for the paracausal influence of Light and Darkness, I am no longer simply a Vex. And where no elegant analytical solution exists, we may apply massive computational power to generate a reasonable facsimile. [u]This was the approach used against Saint-14[/u]".[/i] A "reasonable"... [sympathetic] facsimile. You don't say? [b]"This was the approach used against Saint-14".[/b] Weird. Where do I come up with my nonsense? 😇 👍💠 I mean where: Katabasis, [i]"Gaelin sends me a sideways look. "That shipwright still around? She used to make cider in the autumn. I swear, she kept us like a pack of strays." I sigh. "No, I mean this thing." I run my hand over my body. "Besides, you know I can't go back there." I straighten the leather wrap around my Tex-foundry rifle".[/i] [url=https://www.destinypedia.com/Dead_Man%27s_Tale#Lore]Dead Man's Tale[/url]

Just wait? For what? Your prediction was for TFS and that’s come and went. 🎵 Time is on my side 🎶 Time only proves you wrong lol

Bubby, the FS is still happening... the entire content year, including the Episodes and their narrative... The Saga isn't over until the end of Episode 3. And my predictions for this Episode should have cleared up that potential confusion... in addition to outlining, as I continue to do, my theory as the year unfolded. Right now, I'm talking about episode 2... but I talked about Mara's revelations coming in Episode 3. I talked about how Cayde's death came earlier than I thought, I thought Episode 3. So, I clearly meant, is proved by my acknowledgement of my timeline error per the narrative respective Cayde, the entire content year. Keep spinnin' 😇 👍💠 It's all here, I was talking about the entire content year through Episode 3 when the saga actually ends: [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/264196277?sort=0&page=0]Spoiler... a lore topic.[/url]

No it isn’t and no you didn’t. Excuses and liesssssss Cause time is in my side, oh yes it is!

It isn't. The facts and time. Plain and simple... one of my predictions was that Cayde would be our savior and explode into light.... kinda like Neo in the Matrix... Which is exactly what happened EXCEPT the timing... Because I had that for Episode 3. I clearly included the whole content year. My predictions for EPISODE 1 was that we would be setup to believe Maya was axis to our motivations. She is not. She IS the Madonna of Destiny. And the dilemma we're being forced to deal with IS "moral relativism". Because Maya is corrupted... but she wasn't lying when she said, "Humanity sent me on my task". And tomorrow when that lore comes out? Not lying there either 😇👍💠. So, then why is moral relativism the "thesis" of Episode 1? We need only look in the mirror, because WE ARE the Eggmen. Child Soldiers, in the Vanguard, righteous in our ignorance... devoid of memory, corrupted and manipulated by outside forces. Maya and the IoCV vs. The Vanguard. Corruption to save LIFE vs. Corruption for what? The Light? I'll quote Osiris, as I have many times, "There is NO LIGHT here". Osiris said that. That's moral relativism as the thesis for what's coming.

Lying to cover up how you were wrong, how sad lol

Nope, and people can use the link... read through the posts and comments to see that. Great day. I do lore stuff for fun... but systems and mechanics are actually my lane. Great stuff today.