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Nah the best part is this guy was in a other post telling me how useless Hammers are because they have a arc to them (said the same for grenades) Now look at what they are complaining about lmao, a THROWING KNIFE
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Hammers in PvP are just trash because they can't one-shot. If they could, they would be just as good as the knife, maybe even better.
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[quote]Hammers in PvP are just trash because they can't one-shot. If they could, they would be just as good as the knife, maybe even better.[/quote] Thats Throwing Hammer when people say Hammers they usually mean the super Also if you get roaring flames x3 you can one shot with it and it gets light tracking. That was pre 3.0 though haven’t cared to test it
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[quote][quote]Hammers in PvP are just trash because they can't one-shot. If they could, they would be just as good as the knife, maybe even better.[/quote] Thats Throwing Hammer when people say Hammers they usually mean the super Also if you get roaring flames x3 you can one shot with it and it gets light tracking. That was pre 3.0 though haven’t cared to test it[/quote] Getting Roaring Flames x3 in PvP is near impossible. Probably can only proc it after a super assuming you get 3 kills. And yes, mini hammer, sorry!
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I mean getting 3 kills with Hammers isnt that bad as well if you are good enough you can keep roaring flames up for a while
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I've never been killed by a throwing hammer, so im going to assume that no one is good enough, or the build is not good. Having to rely solely on a super to be able to one shot someone makes it extremely useless, whereas you could get several Shoulder charge kills before a super is even charged.
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[quote]I've never been killed by a throwing hammer, so im going to assume that no one is good enough, or the build is not good. Having to rely solely on a super to be able to one shot someone makes it extremely useless, whereas you could get several Shoulder charge kills before a super is even charged.[/quote] Well its kinda dumb to run roaring flames when you have 2 other better PvP abilities and back then you had to really be good with Devastator I mean you dont need a super to get it to that point, people use melee abilities to get kills all the time (especially activated ones that make projectiles) and once you do get the buff to the max you now have a 1 hit hammer as long as you get kills
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But you cant have the charged melee with the throwing hammer. The only way to get it without a super would be getting a triple solar gernade. See how much goes into trying to get a one shot throwing hammer kill? The throwing knife is one shot no matter what, don't have to spec into it or get other kills to charge it up. Instakill every time. Point is the throwing hammer is useless in PvP, especially with stronger charged melees that can one shot and be used for movement.
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[quote]But you cant have the charged melee with the throwing hammer. The only way to get it without a super would be getting a triple solar gernade. See how much goes into trying to get a one shot throwing hammer kill? The throwing knife is one shot no matter what, don't have to spec into it or get other kills to charge it up. Instakill every time. Point is the throwing hammer is useless in PvP, especially with stronger charged melees that can one shot and be used for movement.[/quote] There are other grenades other than tripmines that can easily get kills, its really not that much work. Also throwing knives dont one shot unless you land a headshot which isnt easy. Also throwing hammer isnt bad :/
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I dont think you understand, you need 3 kills within 10 seconds of eachother to get Roaring Flames x3. How are you getting 3 trip mines in that short of time? A hammer doesn't even one shot to the head. That's what I'm saying, a knife can one shot, a hammer can't. So knife is better, plain and simple. Idk why this is something to argue against lol. The mini hammer in PvP is not good.
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[quote]I dont think you understand, you need 3 kills within 10 seconds of eachother to get Roaring Flames x3. How are you getting 3 trip mines in that short of time? A hammer doesn't even one shot to the head. That's what I'm saying, a knife can one shot, a hammer can't. So knife is better, plain and simple. Idk why this is something to argue against lol. The mini hammer in PvP is not good.[/quote] I wasn’t the one who said tripmine, i said there are other grenades which are better, as well the damage with the hammer increases meaning you can make the next kill easier also you keep leaving out the headshot requirement of the knife also that its a melee that goes on cooldown while the hammer as long as you pick it up is infinite
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So you are easily getting 3 kills on a regular basis with what gernade? Headshots are not that hard with the throwing knife, it almost tracks for you at this point. You can pick up the hammer, but if it doesn't kill the enemy, you have to finish them with another weapon, thus meaning you don't get the stacks of roaring flames. And if it doesn't one shot, I wanna see you run towards the enemy to go pick it up without getting killed. Impossible against decent players. Didn't know it was possible to find someone who would argue the throwing hammer is as good as the throwing knife, but this is the Destiny forums.
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[quote]So you are easily getting 3 kills on a regular basis with what gernade? Headshots are not that hard with the throwing knife, it almost tracks for you at this point. You can pick up the hammer, but if it doesn't kill the enemy, you have to finish them with another weapon, thus meaning you don't get the stacks of roaring flames. And if it doesn't one shot, I wanna see you run towards the enemy to go pick it up without getting killed. Impossible against decent players. Didn't know it was possible to find someone who would argue the throwing hammer is as good as the throwing knife, but this is the Destiny forums.[/quote] I dont get why you are putting words in my mouth, you use the ability after shooting a player like I thought that was obvious. Like im not gonna start being mean but have you actually ever played PvP?
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[quote][quote]So you are easily getting 3 kills on a regular basis with what gernade? Headshots are not that hard with the throwing knife, it almost tracks for you at this point. You can pick up the hammer, but if it doesn't kill the enemy, you have to finish them with another weapon, thus meaning you don't get the stacks of roaring flames. And if it doesn't one shot, I wanna see you run towards the enemy to go pick it up without getting killed. Impossible against decent players. Didn't know it was possible to find someone who would argue the throwing hammer is as good as the throwing knife, but this is the Destiny forums.[/quote] I dont get why you are putting words in my mouth, you use the ability after shooting a player like I thought that was obvious. Like im not gonna start being mean but have you actually ever played PvP?[/quote] If you think that is a reasonable way to kill someone, then I'd be asking you the same question. Maybe, just maybe you can try it if you ran out of ammo to shoot, but never would you stop shouting your weapon to throw a hammer that might hit them, and might kill them. That would be bot level plays right there. And then you need to do that 2 more times to be able to actually one shot an enemy? Right.
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Okay clearly you dont play PvP then because alot of people do that and it’s extremely effective since its over 100 damage which can easily end gun fights. If it were as ineffective as you stated then guess what it needs a buff and i guess so does every other ability because why would you spend time using a ability mid gun fight
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[quote]Okay clearly you dont play PvP then because alot of people do that and it’s extremely effective since its over 100 damage which can easily end gun fights. If it were as ineffective as you stated then guess what it needs a buff and i guess so does every other ability because why would you spend time using a ability mid gun fight[/quote] I player PvP a lot, and I guarantee you I do much better then you, and I have never been killed by a throwing hammer, and have never seen anyone use it and get kills. If it could one shot to the head, with no buffs, then this conversation would be pointless. A knife can, making it better in every way. And thats my point, why would you stop shooting a weapon to throw a hammer? Makes zero sense.
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[quote][quote]Okay clearly you dont play PvP then because alot of people do that and it’s extremely effective since its over 100 damage which can easily end gun fights. If it were as ineffective as you stated then guess what it needs a buff and i guess so does every other ability because why would you spend time using a ability mid gun fight[/quote] I player PvP a lot, and I guarantee you I do much better then you, and I have never been killed by a throwing hammer, and have never seen anyone use it and get kills. If it could one shot to the head, with no buffs, then this conversation would be pointless. A knife can, making it better in every way. And thats my point, why would you stop shooting a weapon to throw a hammer? Makes zero sense.[/quote] Alright im not arguing with someone who just strawmans anymore goodbye and hopefully you stop lying and diverting the topic to things im not talking about
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[quote][quote][quote]Okay clearly you dont play PvP then because alot of people do that and it’s extremely effective since its over 100 damage which can easily end gun fights. If it were as ineffective as you stated then guess what it needs a buff and i guess so does every other ability because why would you spend time using a ability mid gun fight[/quote] I player PvP a lot, and I guarantee you I do much better then you, and I have never been killed by a throwing hammer, and have never seen anyone use it and get kills. If it could one shot to the head, with no buffs, then this conversation would be pointless. A knife can, making it better in every way. And thats my point, why would you stop shooting a weapon to throw a hammer? Makes zero sense.[/quote] Alright im not arguing with someone who just strawmans anymore goodbye and hopefully you stop lying and diverting the topic to things im not talking about[/quote] The conversation has never been diverted. We have been arguing over the throwing hammer vs throwing knife this whole time. You brought up the fact that I "don't play PvP", so that warranted a correction. So I'm not sure where we diverted.
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So you are easily getting 3 kills on a regular basis with what gernade? Headshots are not that hard with the throwing knife, it almost tracks for you at this point. You can pick up the hammer, but if it doesn't kill the enemy, you have to finish them with another weapon, thus meaning you don't get the stacks of roaring flames. And if it doesn't one shot, I wanna see you run towards the enemy to go pick it up without getting killed. Impossible against decent players. Didn't know it was possible to find someone who would argue the throwing hammer is as good as the throwing knife, but this is the Destiny forums.
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That’s just… sad.
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Autistic Tysonbooty? - old
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As a devote crucible player, I agree. Just can’t be content for one second.