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[quote]pay for upgradable event card is scummy.[/quote] It is, but all of you know this is what this Bungie is about these days. The sad thing is, players don't care about paying for less, but they also don't care for wanting more. Bungie has conditioned a good portion of the player base to accept whatever they throw at them that this isn't even a company anymore. It's a business that is looking for more ways to make a profit, vs creating a quality type of game that would increase that profit they are currently making. Destiny used to be designed for the player base as well as for Bungie to an extent. Now it's just all about what Bungie wants. It's why I stopped buying the seasons a while back, and why I haven't played in a little while. After Activision left, that left a lot of poor quality work and way overdone padded play time that is constantly being added to the game. It's all done because Bungie doesn't want to invest our money into the game.
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  • 1000 silver for extra cosmetics, in a free event, they host every year.

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  • A free event they load the cash shop with items that should be earned while actually playing the event, you earn next to nothing playing event and if you want anything from the event better fork over some cash. There should be a good chunk of earnable items that require no purchase and you get while playing the game with a few extra items you can buy as a bonus.

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    Bungie is no more... - old

    [quote] There should be a good chunk of earnable items that require no purchase [/quote] Do you mean like the event engrams they removed?

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  • Yeah honestly the event engram knockout system was the most player friendly model destiny 2 ever had but they removed it since it cut into eververse sales. The way event loot should be is that you should be able to earn 70% of the event items by just playing the game and that last 30% can be extra shop items. You give players loot to chase and you give the people who always shell out money to the game items to purchase, its a win-win in my book.

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  • Edited by TheShadow: 7/17/2022 3:41:10 PM
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    Bungie is no more... - old

    Agreed, It was after the first Dawning event that was the worst event when it comes to the shop that Barrett made a little TWAB explaining how they were going to fix that. They did, but shortly afterward it went back to the way it is now. IMO this is where most have the problem with Bungie/shop, toying with the player base, saying one thing, and later turning around to doing another. They talk about wanting respect, etc.. but it's unreasonable when they toy with the player base. D1 loot system was designed a lot better than D2 because most of the rewards were designed to be earned through the activities or... Some vendors like Factions that Bungie deliberately removed 9 sets of gear to sell ornaments. Amanda that Bungie removed the ships to use the shop as bait. They also rigged the raids in D2 with the asinine rotation system for rewards with double the "RNG" vs D1 raids that offered things like their weekly challenges that had all kinds of incentives to run the raids. This Bungie is disgusting knowing what they have done with the loot system in D2 over the years.

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  • Edited by TheShadow: 7/16/2022 4:31:33 PM
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    Bungie is no more... - old

    And? That means nothing to me knowing when Destiny 2 launched shortly afterwords the first event was Dawning, and what did Bungie do? They literally used the shop as end-game content. Since then the shop and other things in this game to be sold have tripped vs the motivation to create a decent loot system for the game that 99.99% is deliberately designed to be mediocre in hopes to push players to buy from the shop. Looking back at D1, it was the complete opposite. That Bungie designed the loot system for the games activities to give the players the incentive to run the activities. So when I look at reality on what has taken place since then with D1 vs D2. It is wrong no matter how you present what they are doing with D2, especially with all the recycled content, binging D1 into D2 designing a game to be one big padded play time/shop with barely offering anything in return for the amount of money given to them by the player base. Edit: Oh, by the way, it's interesting how you did a 180 with Destiny out of the blue reading a lot of your replies lately especially knowing the very poor state the game has been in the last 2 years.

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  • This game and D1 have always been and is a set of terrible looter games. Compare to Borderlands series, Outriders, Dungeon Defenders, Sacred, Diablo etc... Especially D2 Y1. Simply looking at the changes being made: - The verb system coming into place is going to help bring out new avenues for power. Proof is in them willing to go back and update old stuff (Prometheus lens, wave splitter, Skyburners oath, and jotuns catalist ). - Subclass changes bring about the ease to iterate and add new things, while providing much needed growth in choices made to our arsenal. - Many QOL improvements and requested community features that come at the end of every 3 month seasonal cycle. (Resilience now being worthwhile in PvE) And upgrades to existing free events like solstice. None of that has been a direct effect on the bigger issues the game has right now, like End game activities consisting of a small group of things that have become more then stale right now and leveling system that has known to drive away friends from playing. Mod acquisition too because build Crafting is seriously becoming the best part of this games experience, among the story which has been very captivating for me. It is also not too hard to see that they are constrained by the xbox one and ps4 consoles. They have also gone on record saying in their tech blog posts, it is intentional on their part not to over or under deliver on things, every 3 month big update to the game But all anyone seems to focus on here are some optional cosmetic items that have a silver price attached to them. I just hope your spending money on things that make you happy really.

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  • Edited by TheShadow: 7/16/2022 5:35:02 PM
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    Bungie is no more... - old

    [quote]This game and D1 have always been and is a set of terrible looter games. [/quote] You literally ignore the fact that I actually presented using other games as an example to try and shut what I said down to an extent. That doesn't work, because we are talking about [b](Destiny and the huge difference between D1, that Game/Bungie vs this Game/Bungie.)[/b] The shop wasn't used in d1 to take advantage of the players as it is today in D2. In D2 it literally is because they are unwilling to produce a better loot system. See, since they can't rip the player base off anymore with the loot boxes they looked for other ways to get them to spend money. Stupid mind games, period. What happened to designing a quality type of game to where the player base would be more willing to spend money instead of the mind games??? To be clear here, it's not just Bungie, gaming in general for the future is in big trouble because of the asinine practice.

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  • I am clueless to what other games you mentioned or alluded too, my apologies. When I say "Looter" I am only referring to the rewards system, that leads to distribution of gear and modification items. The End of destiny 1 was the end of support from from bungie for adding content, to doing fixes and what not. The final update was done to make everything the game has to be relivent and useful from one part of the game to all others.(Well legendary and exotic teir). D2 is still in a bind of having things that are still attached to the D2 Y1 version of the game and something I forgot to mention was the champion system, still being here and has been embarrassed COMPLETELY by the tuning of the legendary campaign. Hopefully we will see the end of them for Lightfall. To be honest I just look at the changes done to the game and have a more outwardly looking in positive approach and more importantly, willing to be eternally patient and see what the final outcome will be. [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/u4ex7l/gdc_2022_bungie_presentations/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share]Link to various GDC things bungie recently done talking about their structure to this game and future games.[/url] Specifically they no longer are going to do complete box products like Elden ring.

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    Bungie is no more... - old

    [quote]To be honest I just look at the changes done to the game and have a more outwardly looking in positive approach and more importantly, willing to be eternally patient and see what the final outcome will be.[/quote] Yes, there have been some good changes, but it took years to make some of the changes because Bungie was unwilling to make the changes, and that is where I have a problem. It's like the 2 primary system when D2 launched. Did Bungie even attempt to get feedback from the player base at all before D2 launched? Nope, and what happened? they spent the next 2 years or so wasting time and resources to come up with what we have today when they could have easily avoided all that by simply (communicating with the player base.) This is where the problem literally lies^ It's not the devs working on the game fault, it's the people running this business that is the actual problem. This also ties into how the shop is being used in this game and how more and more ways they are looking to Monetize Destiny and adding more padded playtime because of the lack of engaging content. Bungie has had since 2014 to figure things out that you are willing to wait for. Some us are tired of waiting that I myself have given up on Destiny that it will be anything more than it is now, and that is a mediocre game designed mainly for Bungie to make a profit because they don't look at the player base as customers as the original Bungie did to an extent. The game was built around a shop when it was released. Barrett changed that for a little bit, but when he left Destiny to work on whatever It all went back to building Destiny around that shop again and that's just BS.

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  • Thank you. I'm gonna call it wraps here. Most of all thanks for your thoughts and time.

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    I love your post and all the replies. Well said on all fronts. I'm probably done purchasing anything as well. I think it's time to move on.

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  • Edited by TheShadow: 7/16/2022 12:04:33 AM
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    Bungie is no more... - old

    I'm done with buying anything from Bungie at this point, but I will pop in once in a while as I do with other games to change things up. If this is how they are treating Destiny, I'm afraid to even see how messed up their new IP actually is that I will not ever buy after how they have treated this player base since D2 launched. It's like how 343 is treating Halo that the game isn't even a game, it is literally still in beta mode and it's a year into it. But guess what? They were sure as hell to make sure that the shop was up and running smoothly. That's the BS we are dealing with these days with these "poor billion dollar businesses".

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  • theres the door , i suggest you go through it. dont forget to delete all your characters before uninstalling since you dont wanna be here

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    [quote]theres the door , i suggest you go through it. dont forget to delete all your characters before uninstalling since you dont wanna be here[/quote] Well, I don't take suggestions from people I have no interest in, let alone an unknown from the net.

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  • thats quite obvious but id imagine you'd get quite triggered if people didnt listen to you ^_ ^ if you hate the game so much why play it

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  • [quote]if you hate the game so much why play it[/quote] First, there is a difference between "hate the game" and "hate the overly greedy corporate practices". Learn to understand the difference. If you can't, then, well, nothing much to talk about. Second, just because a corporation does something doesn't mean you should always bend over and take it. It's an open Forum and people can discuss greedy practices. In fact, we SHOULD talk about it before Bungie starts selling red-dot sights for $10 like CoD. Mind you, I had no problem with buying Witch Queen deluxe edition with all seasons, even after they increased the price than Beyond Light. However, asking for more money after I bought the highest possible tier of the game is DEFINITELY NOT OK. Now, you can keep bending over and take it, but I won't.

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  • Edited by WoofinAintEazy: 7/16/2022 4:10:45 PM
    If you hate the overly greedy corporate Bungie, then why do people continue to play? That is directly supporting them. Regardless if you bought the content or not, the amount of players is what they want, because that usually equates to more money in the end. If I hate a specific company, I don’t go and purchase their items or go to their stores. Complaining every day , all day about a video game, then going to play it does absolutely nothing. Just shows who’s really the weak minded in this situation. But ya, the people who don’t daily whine about a video game and are content with what they have the ones “bending over”.

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  • [quote]If you hate the overly greedy corporate Bungie, then why do people continue to play?[/quote] Again, don't be an idiot and learn the difference between "hate the overly greedy corporate Bungie" and "hate the overly greedy corporate PRACTICES". Emphasize on practices. NOT ALL PRACTICES, just some of them. I have never once said that I hate Bungie or Destiny 2. You chose to interpret my reply as one to satisfy your narrative, which is pathetic. [quote]If I hate a specific company, I don’t go and purchase their items or go to their stores.[/quote] People who believe this fallacy are a joke to me. Because that is exactly what this statement is - a fallacy. [b]There is not a single person out there in today's world who use products only from companies they like 100%.[/b] I know you wouldn't accept the fact that even you use products from companies you don't like because that weakens your stupid argument (if there was one to begin with), but we all know that you and everyone else here, do. I can give you my example, if you care. I don't particularly like Apple because of some of their stupid product decisions, but I still use iPad and Mac. iPad because there isn't a better tablet alternative out there yet and Mac because of my work.

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  • Edited by TheShadow: 7/16/2022 5:10:40 PM
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    [quote]If you hate the overly greedy corporate Bungie, then why do people continue to play?[/quote] I don't get this logic because it's literally in plain sight that they don't "hate" everything about the business/game. I think the question should actually be is, why does there always have to be one extreme to the complete opposite when presenting questions when there is a middle? I've never liked when people try to make things out to be more than they actually are that they try to control a conversating to only favor their opinion as if what someone said was true when they didn't mention anything of that notion at all as you presented it. What you just did is actually an unreasonable question. [quote]Regardless if you bought the content or not, the amount of players is what they want, because that usually equates to more money in the end.[/quote] True, but it would be nice if they looked at the player base more as customers instead of a number. This means less effort is being put into the game to design a decent game, let alone quality. Don't care about the customer=Don't care about the product.

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    [quote]thats quite obvious but id imagine you'd get quite triggered if people didnt listen to you ^_ ^[/quote] I guess that plan failed 🤷‍♂️ [quote]if you hate the game so much why play it[/quote] Assuming things is not a good thing that a few tend to do on here.

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  • A quality game doesn't make money if it's free... If they make the game perfect, and every person in the world plays, but they don't actually sell anything, then how do they make money? You think they make money just off of you playing? Are you that naive?

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  • Its not free....the glorified demo is free if thats what you mean?

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  • Edited by TheShadow: 7/15/2022 5:44:26 PM
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    Bungie is no more... - old

    [quote]A quality game doesn't make money if it's free... [/quote] Well, your mistake was thinking "Destiny is a f2p game". [quote]If they make the game perfect, and every person in the world plays, but they don't actually sell anything, then how do they make money?[/quote] What game has ever been "perfect"??? and I recall D1 doing just fine being a full-priced game. Looking further back, Halo never needed all the BS that is put into games these days that the franchise made 5 billion without microtransactions, etc. Hmm, I wonder how they managed that over a decade ago. Do you think creating a quality type of game had anything to do with that??? Oh, and before you try the Hog Wash "it costs more these days to produce a game". You might want to look at the reality that the players that purchase cosmetic items, etc... have literally quadrupled since microtransactions were introduced to actual (F2P games) that within a 3 months period Activision/ Blizzard made $1.2 billion just from microtransactions ... [quote]You think they make money just off of you playing? Are you that naive?[/quote] Can you even come up with a legit question???

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  • All of you're statements show ignorance. As for my question about you being naive, that was clearly a legitimate question as so far you're behavior seems to indicate that you are. [quote]What game has ever been "perfect"???[/quote] What does that have to do with anything? That's an irrelevant question, with no purpose. Either you lack reading comprehension ability or you are intentionally trying to miss the point because you know you;re wrong. My guess is the latter. [quote]I recall D1 doing just fine being a full-priced game. Looking further back, Halo never needed all the BS that is put into games these days that the franchise made 5 billion without microtransactions, etc.[/quote] How many time did they add content to D1? How much was that content? They had 2 added content pieces in year 1, both of which were 40 ish dollars I believe, and were both considered to be poor quality and insufficient at the time. Then there was Taken King which cost the price of a full game, and not 1 single thing came out between that and the next release a year later. Then again, after Rise of Iron, not a single bit more of addtional content came out for another year. Compare that to Destiny 2. We get fairly large content additions every 13 weeks. These additions include, new story, new modes, tons of new weapons and armor, a completely reworked sublclass, often contain a dungeon or reprized raid, plus new destination or activity, and this is all given entirely free of cost (except for dungeon technically, but as you say, this isn't entirely free to play, so most players have bought the dungeons with WQ deluxe already anyway). Also, lets assume that you purchased the Witch Queen deluxe (or whatever yearly expansion) since you mention this game isn't really free to play, so that also would include all the items in the season pass. Then, on top of all that, we get free events throughout the entire year like Solstice, Festival of the Lost, etc, that all come with tons more to do, new weapons, and for solstice new armor. All of this content, requires the purchase of essentially 1 game price per year to get the deluxe edition of each expansion. The deluxe edition of TTK cost the same as the deluxe edition of Witch Queen, and after that we got absolutely no content for a year. So you want them to stop the eververse and paid cosmetics? Then you're saying you want to go back to not getting content for a whole year at a time. You claiming Destiny now is anything even remotely comparable to D1 is a joke. Then for Halo, again, you're comment is downright stupid. Halo doesn't have tons of content, story, weapons, raid, and activities added every 12 weeks, so no, it doesn't require as much money. Do you realize how many developers it takes to put out that much content regularly? I mean 12 weeks, that isn't much time. Dev's easily make 6 figure's, so getting al those people to work all that time in addition to all the other costs associated with it is a fortune. I really hope you are a clueless little kid, because there is no excuse for an adult to be this naive and ignorant.

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