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Edited by Desolator0: 1/31/2022 10:27:06 PM
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Wish-Ender + Oathkeepers giving you permanent wallhacks is ridiculous and needs an adjustment for 3v3 modes

Bungie removed the wallhacks from Lorentz and OEM because those were too powerful, but Wish-Ender has far superior wallhacks than both Lorentz and OEM, and unlike them, it's actually permanent and doesn't require getting shot or putting yourself at any risk. With Wish-Ender + Oathkeepers, you get quite literally permanent, infinite, free wallhacks just for ADSing with your bow. There is no risk, there is no kill requirement, and there is no cost to doing it. Permanent wallhacks for only one class is clearly broken, and it was broken enough for Bungie to remove a worse version of it from OEM and Lorentz. Wish-Ender's wallhacks are far superior to OEM's and Lorentz's because you can see the entire enemy player's body with a bright outline (like Spectral Blade's "Flawless Execution", but superior to even that) vs. a marker applied to them that was visible through walls. Oathkeepers should keep its permanent "perfect charge" damage but the wallhacks perk on Wish-Ender needs a cooldown or a short-timer, because right now it's quite literally permanent, infinite, and free. You can see the entire enemy team through the map forever, know exactly when they're going to peek to challenge you or your teammates, and pre-aim at their head to then easily finish them off with a quick-swap HC. In 3v3 modes (Trials, Competitive, Elimination) where every kill and bit of information matters, knowing exactly where the enemy team is at all times through walls and knowing exactly when they're going to peek to challenge you is an overwhelming advantage, especially when you have it forever for the entire game for absolutely free.

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  • Well.. this is a first... have never seen a single post like this since wishender was introduced.. what's the usage %?

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  • I love when people know I’m using wishenders but they keep challenging, trying to peak shoot

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  • Edited by I KILL ME: 2/1/2022 4:49:25 PM
    It’s a bow! Competing against weapons that can spam bullets . It take two shots and a high level of competence to peek and hit without trading. I main the wishender in PVP and I am not pubstomping. Le monarch is far more toxic in my opion

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    • Great against cheaters, now you can see who or what is peeking from where because 3-peeking got nerfed.

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      • [quote]Bungie removed the wallhacks from Lorentz and OEM because those were too powerful, but Wish-Ender has far superior wallhacks than both Lorentz and OEM, and unlike them, it's actually permanent and doesn't require getting shot or putting yourself at any risk. With Wish-Ender + Oathkeepers, you get quite literally permanent, infinite, free wallhacks just for ADSing with your bow. There is no risk, there is no kill requirement, and there is no cost to doing it. Permanent wallhacks for only one class is clearly broken, and it was broken enough for Bungie to remove a worse version of it from OEM and Lorentz. Wish-Ender's wallhacks are far superior to OEM's and Lorentz's because you can see the entire enemy player's body with a bright outline (like Spectral Blade's "Flawless Execution", but superior to even that) vs. a marker applied to them that was visible through walls. Oathkeepers should keep its permanent "perfect charge" damage but the wallhacks perk on Wish-Ender needs a cooldown or a short-timer, because right now it's quite literally permanent, infinite, and free. You can see the entire enemy team through the map forever, know exactly when they're going to peek to challenge you or your teammates, and pre-aim at their head to then easily finish them off with a quick-swap HC. In 3v3 modes (Trials, Competitive, Elimination) where every kill and bit of information matters, knowing exactly where the enemy team is at all times through walls and knowing exactly when they're going to peek to challenge you is an overwhelming advantage, especially when you have it forever for the entire game for absolutely free.[/quote] Just draw cancel with it and you can get infinite wall hacks without oathkeepers taking your exotic slot.

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      • Eh

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      • Please can you post the usage stats for Wishender in 3v3

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      • Considering Wish Ender is hardly used in spite of having actual wall hacks due to how terrible it is... Yeah, no. If the bow was better, I MIGHT agree, but Wish Ender is the worst Bow in the game by a pretty big margin.

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      • Thanks for the idea.

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        • Complaining about Oathkeepers and Wish Ender? We've really hit the bottom of the barrel for nerf herders.

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          • Titan main here. Once upon a time, Xur sold oathkeepers. I bought them for my hunter (which I had played on like twice). I then decided to run the oathkeeper/wishender combo with middle tree void for extra wall hack. Lemme tell you, it was not a fun experience.

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          • Watch out for me in Momentum Control I know where all of you are and what you're doing! I know where you'll peek, What corridor you'll go down, And with one shot to the head Our meeting will be a short one~

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            • Edited by Malenia, Blade of Miqullla: 1/31/2022 11:24:18 AM
              Same goes for Oathkeeper + Le Monarque.

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              • It's the only thing that makes wishender good though.

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                • Never did I think id see people crying about oathkeepers of all things 🤣

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