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10/8/2020 5:51:40 PM
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Beyond Light Sunsetting, Price Tags, Free Destiny 2, and Veterans

Sunsetting is the removal of previous content, most of which was payed for, and might be reinstated later on again. Why? Why is sunsetting necessary? Not only that, but Beyond Light is a crisp $49.99 USD plus tax. In this, I will argue against the sunsetting and pricing, and veterans paying, and veteran against new player prices. Sunsetting is a bad move, one multiplied by the factor of just how much people have payed for this game, and how much is being removed. This includes the removal of raids, areas, weapons, armor, etc. Essentially we pay $50 for new content that will replace the old. New content is good, always will be, but shouldn't have the compromise of not being able to play what existed before. Pricing is also a big part, one more so on the choices of Bungie. Now, the question of veterans arrises. Why are they important? Pricing. In the beginning, this game was a full $59.99 + tax with the dlcs. These dlcs were $19.99 for Curse of Osiris and Warmind, and the $39.99 Forsaken to follow. Veterans had, and I mean had to pay for all of this stay with the game, around $120 + (it may vary depending on specific sales and such for all I list) no exceptions. Forsaken was purchased locked by the previous two dlcs.. Now, this a long time ago, years even, but It still has an impact. The Forsaken annual pass was $35, Shadowkeep $35, and the new Beyond Light spiking to $50 (Not to mention deluxe editions). So, we had $120 + with the added $120 + of these other dlcs. Why do these prices get so high for veterans? New players. Destiny 2 was made free for the new marketing strategy that began with Shadowkeep. Making it more cost effective to said new lights and promoting marketing. Good move, not for the old lights. Due to the free game, tge dlcs have to be made larger in price to make money, I get that. But why does it have to be so big for the oldies? For some it may not matter, price is just a quest step to the new stuff. But for many, I have no doubt this is taxing to the wallet. The benefits do not outweigh the sacrifice, especially with the aforementioned problems. In conclusion, to get to the point, veterans have payed a lot, played a lot, and are tired of having to spend more. It's even worse when we know all the stuff we worked for, all the stuff we may want to get or play again, will be wiped from existence. Does that sound appetising? Not really. I understand money needs to be made, people will always need to be payed. But why don't we, the old players, the ones who have been here from the beginning, get some sort of benefit for this? It is more than fair to get some reacharound. Not only that, but to stop doing what you're doing with sunsetting. I say we old lights get some payback for our dedication. Thank you for your time, your beautiful games, and the experiences, Bungie. Please consider what I have said.

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  • Edited by ChuckTownRC51: 10/9/2020 2:58:16 PM
    The amount of Bungie shills in the comments is actually funny. That's one of the reasons why this will always be the worst community in all of games. A bunch of morons who rally against their own interests in some bizarre sycophantic relationship with a game developer who gives zero fooks about them and only wants their money. Wanting what you paid for isn't false entitlement, it's actual entitlement. When you pay for something you are entitled to that thing. Looking for appreciation for customer loyalty isn't a new concept. It's one as old as time. Everything you said in your post is purely common sense. Unfortunately common sense isn't common when your audience are deranged sycophants.

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    • Yeahhh -blam!- this game. I'll check back here periodically to see if they learn anything but at this point there's just too much anti-consumer shite going on. Bungie has lost its way.

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    • Doesn't matter how much we pay, at the end of the day we only ever pay for a license to play the content, we never actually own the content, which gives Bungie the right to change anything anytime they want.

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    • I couldn't be less worried about stuff I paid for 2-3 years ago being taken out of the game. But, I do firmly believe this game should have never been made free to play. That, was the beginning of Destiny's downward spiral. They should just go back to paid yearly expansions, as opposed to this awful seasonal model, which just doesn't work.

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      • They will have no content if they don’t sunset. Bungie buisness model is to sunset then reintroduce as new content. Can resell you something unless they take it first

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      • man, I've been playing since d1, joined during the first dlc. i think about it sometimes, how much I've spent.. it has to be over 500$ just from keeping up with expansions and pre ordering d2 and its dlcs for 100$ during one christmas i asked my mom to buy me the 20$ silver thing, but she bought me the 100$ one- then d2 was announced and d1 never got another dlc. to this day i haven't used all that silver because for some ungodly reason it didn't get carried over to d2. i'll never forget how hard i been screwed

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        • "Paid" is the past tense of "pay", meaning to exchange currency for something, and "payed" is the past tense of "pay", meaning to seal the hull of a boat with tar.

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        • Let me inform you of something that you and 99% of people seem to not understand because you don't read the terms and service agreements. You paid for the license to use the content, you don't physically own anything and if you read the terms at all which you clearly didn't it clearly states bungie has the express rights to make changes to, remove, add or restrict anything in the game because all you did was pay for access

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          • If you're still running the old content they're removing, it's either because you're stupidly obsessed with it (i saw a dude in tower the other day with SIX. THOUSAND. CLEARS. On spire of stars. And he had his emblem tracking it. Disgusting.), still don't have everything you want from it (only really applies to the new and the extremely unlucky), or you are just helping new players (in which case you don't NEED it anymore). In all cases, one rule applies: you are playing old, outdated content that the majority of players aren't. It's not going to kill the game to get rid of the old crap, most people either aren't running it or have no real reason to run it. It won't matter. Sunsetting happened in D1, and it turned out to be EXACTLY what the game needed. "But muh weapons! Muh armor! I put so much effort in to getting them!" So do something else with your life. Jesus. It's a video game. Nothing matters in it. Nothing is permanent in it. When you play something like Breath of the Wild or Dark Souls, do you exclusively run the stuff you start the game with? No. Unless you're doing a challenge run, you are ALWAYS investing in new tools. Upgrading, changing gear, etc. Why should Destiny be any different? Change is good, because it prevents stagnation. D1 had sunsetting and it went great. D2 will be no different. So you put like, $240 into the game. And? You're not entitled to anything other than what you paid for, and you paid for a Bungie game. What that means is this: you get a Bungie game. It's not YOUR game. You didn't create it, so you get no say in its future. And before you say "if we paid, we're entitled to sway the future of the game", tell me how many other games do that. Dark Souls never did. No legend of zelda game has. None of the infamous or uncharted games, or any need for speed or mortal kombat games. VERY VERY VERY few games allow their players to decide their future, and even when they do it's very small decisions like "what theme should the next dlc follow", not "what will be included in the next dlc". Or it'll be "what kind of extra cosmetics do you want to see?", not "design some cosmetics and we'll put them in!". Why should d2 be any different? So you paid. Big deal. You're not entitled to change things the way Bungie shareholders are, and you aren't entitled to tell bungie what to do or how to do it. Bungie is a multi-million or billion dollar company, run by very wealthy individuals and managed by people who can buy and sell you, your house, your land, and your family at a hundred times their net worth without feeling a financial DENT, while you're just some man, woman, child, manchild, womanchild, or old codger that thinks you're entitled to the same benefits as shareholders and directors all because you spent $240 on them over the course of like 3 years. You're a teeny, tiny little individual PIXEL on their bottom line. Stop acting like they owe you anything beyond the game you're playing. And a reward for dedication? Seriously? Do you realize how entitled and spoiled that sounds? "I've played this game soooo much, so when you get rid of everything, be sure to give ME, and players like ME, something extra that new players can't get, because we play a lot". How about just... playing the game as a GAME and not taking it so seriously? Are you a child? Do you not have a job? A life outside the game? Cause that's what it sounds like. The level of entitlement in this sounds extremely juvenile. God, why are so many of you so damn spoiled?

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            • I’m pretty pleased some old stuffs getting left in the past. Mountaintop, recluse specifically. In pvp mt is just obnoxious and in pve it’s a main stage weapon that does the job of a special better then just about everything else although in pvp it’s more spike grenades on grenade launchers that’s obnoxious and will be more apparent once mt is gone. Old stuff isn’t being removed from our inventory’s but I get the frustration but the way I see it is this, I enjoy the grind and the moment when a god roll I want drops and without sunsetting that’s completely gone for me. Sunsetting revives that excitement for me and while I feel pretty alone with that mindset I doubt people take that into consideration. It’s a looter shooter where the loots mostly irrelevant. End game guns in the latest dungeon are completely meaningless like I got god rolls but there’s zero chance I’ll ever touch them over existing stuff. Tl;dr looter shooter where the loot isn’t exciting. Sunsetting is a solution that respects people’s time investment for the most part and let’s bungie redo the perk pools without nerfs

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              • I'd care less about content vaulting if they had an actual plan laid out for it. Cause they have not told us everything, Aztecross risking NDAs by pointing out the literal need to rework the code in old places makes sense, Bungie not saying anything doesn't It's understandable if something absolutely has to go, but will come back Bungie hasn't instilled confidence either of these are true

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                • If Bungie actually gave a rats -Blam!-, maybe they’d consider it

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                • Imagine a video game company that is eager to remove content.

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                • At this point it doesn't matter what we say, decisions have already been made, steps already taken.

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                • Paid

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                • Shove your common sense where the light of the Traveler doesn't reach

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                • You and everyone else knew (or should have known) the risk of this happening when you bought into a Live Service 🤷‍♂️

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                • Edited by BRAZACK: 10/9/2020 12:52:47 PM
                  I understand why they are putting some content in the DCV. We are not losing it, it will come back with different seasons when its relevant. What im not ok with is the sunsetting of armors and weapons people have spent thousands of hours grinding for. They could have left our armors alone and just bring out new ornaments that we can chase to change the appearance of our armors. The they could even give us something similar to the recaster that would let use roll armors higher stats. Give us more control over what stat can be the dominant stat on said roll. Make Nightfalls double loot a normal thing and give us higher tier(gear with better rolls) legendaries and exotics. Strike specific loot can be a guranteed drop on nightfall ordeals(easier farming). There are lots of alternative routes they coulda taken from sunsetting. Now you keep using the term sunsetting in relation to content going away. Sunsetting only applies to gear. The content going away is getting locked in the DCV.

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