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5/19/2019 7:06:29 PM
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My thoughts on the nerf with bungie's perspective in mind

I take a look at the reckoning. That activity was built around people being able to reuse there supers. It is still a challenging activity for most but for the best players with the right team it is a breeze. So I can I understand why they would nerf the exotics that give back supers instantly. They will probably be nerfed into the ground though. Whisper is the nerf I dont understand. It makes the sniper not worth it anymore. All the hard work for so many players and now its useless. That hurts the most. Spades I understand because on pc spades is better than Luna. Sleeper is most likely because of the activity they are introducing or the raid boss. I don't agree with any of these things but I am trying to see it from there perspective. I will wait to see what season of opulence(nerfs) has to offer them make my judgment. One thing I dont understand from bungie. Why didnt you release some sort of good news along side the nerfs? You knew how the community would respond. You should have said that you were buffing many other exotics and showed us a trailer for opulence to calm the community. But no, u just dropped major negativity on the community and more people just quit your game.

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  • Agree that Reckoning was designed around super use but to suggest the right teams walk thru it is a bit of a stretch. Yes, some do, but it's the minority by some margin. Everything that has been added to the game from the season pass was based on timers. Timers mean rushed combat and that loadouts have to be specific rather than preferred. It's not the players fault that weapons they can use well aren't effective in these situations. And to bring nerfs to these same weapons because of that is lazy. There really isnt a better way to say it. 30 or better exotic weapons, 6-8 that actually see use. Knocking down the 6 doesn't make the other 20 better.

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  • Do you think bungie took our perspective into account when deciding on the nerfs? You're too kind to them ;)

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    • Whisper was nerfed because of the same reasoning you gave for Sleeper. Think Argos like boss. It isn't really feasible to reduce Whisper ammo more, even if it was reduced to 3 ammo, because PC players don't miss their shots. So it would just give one platform a significant advantage over the others. White Nail was just nerfed out of Infinite ammo to prevent this. So yes, PC destroyed Whisper.

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      • Bungie's perspective is "we arent talented enough to make challenging and engaging content based on their own merit anymore so we will nerf the guardians...that in effect will make it take longer to complete the raid and our streamers will be so happy with longer views and more subs." There you go.

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      • I feel like some of these nerf choices are a result of the .0001 pecent of community speed running and breezing through reckoning / raids. I hope Im wrong you cant cater to that small of a percentage of players , I feel like they know this, head scratching at times...I like your point about why didnt they add a good news point to the nerf patch. But perhaps they felt the community moral is at an all time high right now due to the surprising zero hour mission.

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        • And here lies the problem. No game manufacturer should [i]ever[/i] base their decisions on how the better players of the game behave. They should never look at 1 aspect of game play and base a decision on that 1 thing. Ace of Spades better on PC? Big deal. PC is so manipulative is a joke. You just need to look at all the top streamers and see they exclusively use PC. Says everything. Just because you can melt through a spider tank with Whisper shouldnt mean the gun gets nerfed. You change the tank. Bungie are a lazy studio. They have so many problems with each dlc that they still dont bother fixing minor issues from vanilla. They would rather use the "working as intended" excuse. Its a shame as both Destiny and Destiny 2 are both top tier games, but let down by the studio messing around with it too much to appease a minority.

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          • Yes the final raid boss has a huge crit spot he is in a corner with a shield and sounded by a zillion adds. That explains the nerfs.

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            • But they DID give us good news! Did you see that they gave us the ability to buy a new t-shirt? Why Hell, they even give options on the size from extra small all the way up to 4XL! All for the meager little price of $24.99

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              • So...nerf things because, Bungo doesn't know how to make challenging content? Ok... The devs are just butthurt that the playerbase out-smarts them at every turn.

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                • One issue with Reckoning being the reason, it is AP content. It is a nerf that now affects people not involved in that activity/purchase. Disclaimer, I have the AP

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                • Edited by PakOWulf: 5/20/2019 9:11:10 AM
                  The only thing I really hate about Bungie (oh there's a list of things, but this 1 thing in particular) is their, "We don't want you to play it this way, we want you to play it like this." mentality. If I wanna sit in patrol and talk to my buddies while we watch 4 randos shoot enemies out of a cave until it glows like Christmas then let me be. #LootCave (Shit it's not 2014 anymore)

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                • I think even tuning up the enemy ai would do wonders for challenge. Take a game like the Division 2 for example. I don't get bored of the combat because the enemy ai is actually pretty good and will strive to use their kits to do as much damage as possible to the player.

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                  • Edited by l09047: 5/19/2019 11:07:11 PM
                    they sold a bunch of the whisper ornaments. Now they want to sell a new ornament. You wont buy it because you love your whisper So now your whisper is bad. And now you buy new ornament.

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                    • Problem still is...they need a relatable community manager I like Deej for his quirkiness, but hes not relatable. Hard truth.

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                      • Edited by Cr1mson_Wav3: 5/20/2019 6:14:00 PM
                        Bungie isnt creative with making new things/challenging things. They also aren't creative with weapons either. Most catalyst in this game only buff stats;lame. Every nerf is horrible. Coupdve put whisper in special with green ammo since it doesn't have infinite ammo, could've gave sleeper a couple more bullets, could've made Lunas howl an exotic with not forgotten as ornament with less bullets or more recoil instead of changing its initial perk and archetype. Could've buffed armor exotics in other ways to balance out the nerf so instead of it just giving back super what if it gave super recharge a 25% bump etc? They're just not creative. They're lazy and always go the easy route on nerfing things, they've always done this since d1 and nothing's changed.

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                      • They probably didnt announce the buffs because the last time they buffed a bunch of stuff the only thing anyone talked about was the couple of nerfs that went out with the same patch.

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                        • I understand where they are coming from, look at almost any other game, 100 enemies should be harder to kill than 20, but due to these exotics its actually easier to kill massive groups, often without firing a weapon for extended periods. Leading to sections like the bridge in reckoning, extremely easy with just one or two of these exotics(best combo ive seen being well, origs tether, and either code of commander w/ dfangs, bb w/shards or skull of infinite novas) making the only way we could possibly die there being to be pushed off an edge by one of the ultras. Its gone past the point of power fantasy and reached the point of broken and changes how they have to make content. Similar problem with whisper, they either have.to make small crits on twitchy targets or boost the health to ridiculous levels ie: shuro chi vs sotp boss

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                          • Whisper will still have crazy high dps... even in D1 it was still the best dps weapon. And it still has its whisper breathing perk. You can land 18+ very high damage shots without reloading in a short amount of time. It’s still a great exotic.

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                          • I imagine this, just think if nothing was ever Nerfed, hmmm we get to use all these items at full potential, it would be fun, all the way back to the vex, no Nerfs, EVER, I think it would have been the best path

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                          • Lol bungie is the king of nerfs they dont like people playing their game feeling powerful and having fun idk why lol "we want your guardians to feel more powerful " is what they usually say but I guess

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                          • Edited by Zer0: 5/20/2019 1:59:49 PM
                            Bungie's perspective is that we've hit the ceiling of power and they need to nerf the top gear in the game. I'd accept that only if there aren't any other options to create challenging content (I don't). I can accept tuning items, even a nerf here and there, but the sleeper and whisper nerfs leave the weapons with no identity. It would be easier to accept save for the lack of other interesting exotics. I have no attachments to most of the exotics in the game. I am guessing many players might also be in that position, but I can only speak for myself. I want challenging content too. Nerfs are not how I want the challenge delivered or maintained. I do applaud your attempt to put yourself in their shoes.

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                            • If spades is better on pc then luna, they should nerf it just for pc and let it be as it is on consoles... Double nerf for us on ps4 and xbox one (luna/NF/and Ace of spades) sorry, not fair... About whisper, that is even crazier, they make ornaments for it that we have to PAY for them (got one of those) just for it stay put on the vault now... So even eververse is here to screw with us and our wallet

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                            • Game companies need to understand that they cant have a monopoly on peoples time. Getting bored of a game happens when people play through the content that they release. People left in droves because of the constant nerfs and sandbox changes that put more and more restrictions on how people wanted to play the game. The attempt was to freshen things up but instead what they should've done is let people get bored and take a break for a month or two and come back. Simply put bungie doesn't have deep enough build mechanics and diversity to keep people engaged for a long period of time and they shouldn't be trying.

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                              • Then nerf Ace on Pc and leave it alone on console. Bungie got drunk and said...."Hold my beer and watch this"

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                              • I think it was the absolute worst thing they could have done. Nerf Ace of Spades because it's good on one system only. Make Reckoning unplayable now, because without those Supers it's pointless. By doing that they also make Prime pointless. Communication is atrocious, across the board terrible..... The community is up in arms and what have they responded with? Nothing.

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                                • [quote]One thing I dont understand from bungie. Why didnt you release some sort of good news along side the nerfs? You knew how the community would respond. You should have said that you were buffing many other exotics and showed us a trailer for opulence to calm the community. But no, u just dropped major negativity on the community and more people just quit your game.[/quote] Honestly, that is an excellent point. They obviously suck at PR as much as they do in development.

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