Or u could just shut ur ass up and keep playing

Same in comp I always loose a round because of the Luna’s howl and not forgotten and telesto

Gotta be honest, stopped reading after "I'm better than 99% of the people crying here". If you honestly believe that your 1% oppinion is a valid oppinion, you need to get in line what balance actually means. It's what makes weapons useable for 99% of the people and makes their weapon of choice competetive, despite pinnacle rewards. The issue isn't Luna's/NF compared to the other weapons and arcetypes, the issue is how easy it is to use, compared to it's strength. Ultra strong weapons like that, should not have such a low skill gab. The aim assist is FAR too strong for a perk that powerful. I've read several suggestions on how to bring it in balance, without nerfing it, but none of them accounts for how easy it is to land headshots in the first place.

Asking for a nerf on anything before the next game changing meta in 2 weeks is plain dumb! If you think hand cannons will remain crazy OP once the scouts get another buff and Auto rifles refreshed we’ll wait and see what happens. Polaris lance is already strong, Mida is almost back to shredding people, breakneck, suros and ringing nail will be beast but guardians don’t generally want to try anything other than streamer and YouTube meta as they feel the gun makes them godlike not the actual user thus a meta is born. Bungie are finally doing things right there are no blanket nerfs that destroy not only a gun but an entire archetype both for PVP and PvE. Instead they are looking at very OP crutches like teleso and looking at buffing other viable alternatives so there is choice and not 3 main guns.

Dont do that.... Dont get your sht, then turn around ask for nerfs on it. I dont care how good it is. Why not just enjoy it and stop the nerf nonsense. It's so played out, seriously.

I think the underlying problem is the handcannon bloom on console. Everything that isn’t a 180 feels super inconsistent. Your gun fights are full of ghost bullets making it pointless to use anything but a 180 on console.

Nope. If a player is skilled enough to earn those weapons, you were dead anyways.

180's dont cause any flinch. And they dont need increased recoil. For the rest i agree.

Perfect, only make the rate of fire of 110s like d1 so they kill in one second, not 1.07s like it is now Ppl who think this post is too much are bad players who rely on ez weapons

Don't nerf I don't have LH, but I don't like nerfs at all. Buff other hand cannons for sure.

Magnificient Howl only giving extra precision damage would be a welcome change. And I think handcannons just need less bloom and slightly more range on console.

Imo they dont need nerfs Bygones with kill clip active 2 bursts, trust with explosive blinds, ace runs pc and there are plenty of other good options, nf and lunas are not unbeatable, if they can chain a second headshot the gun becomes far less powerful, if most people knew how to strafe this wouldn't be a problem

So basically to nerf LH and NF you want to buff all other hand cannons to make them meta? So instead of just seeing LH and NF everywhere we would see all hand cannons! Not a single mention of the fact other guns need bringing up like auto, smg, pulse etc No thanks, I’d rather deal with two over 5-6

Or just return vigilance and Graviton to last meta and then you all stop crying

Sure, I'll debate. I've commented about this, and made a whole post; so hopefully you haven't seen any of those yet. The basis of my argument is that LH is not OP when compared to any hand cannon with a decent range stat, and that NF is not a problem due to its rarity in the crucible. I don't have a NF and have never used one, so I won't talk about something I have no experience with. I'll instead focus entirely on LH and argue why it's fine where it is. Take a look at the last 10 games I played: https://destinytracker.com/d2/profile/xbl/Never-EZ You'll find that my best game is with the Ace of Spades. You can also see that in comparison to my games with LH, I had more total hand cannon kills when using the Sunshot or Nation of Beasts. My LH games look like my games with my Waking Vigil that has no range perks. Until LH came out, I think we were all in agreement that the most valuable stat on a hand cannon is range. When dealing with a high range Sunshot (w/ catalyst), Ace of Spades, or Sturm (w/ catalyst); we have guns that can handle the majority of ranges on the smaller D2 maps. The LH has such a poor range stat, that it really only holds advantage in this small range bracket in the mid-close range. Any gun with such a small optimal range bracket can be countered with way more ease than something that is consistently good across most ranges. Especially when considering the close range meta that runs the current sandbox. As a sniper, I feast when teams neglect the long ranges with their Dust Rock + Luna setup. As to your proposed changes, I mostly agree with them. However, off my base assumption that LH is fine where it is; I can only see your proposed 180 change as a completely unnecessary nerf to the 180 RPM that already has a poor 1s ttk. i've never seen anyone arguing that Trust needs a nerf. Personally, I would merge the 150's and 140's into a new archetype completely. Put all of the guns into a 145rpm archetype. Keep the lightweight frame for +1 mobility and bonus sprint speed while increasing the damage to be a 2 crit, one body shot kill. Reserve the 140 and 150 archetypes for exotic weapons. Thoughts?

It's hard enough to three tap against actual opponents. We just need the buffs to other handcannons types and a consistency change on console

2 heads and a toe shot? Thats not how it works, you still need that 3rd headshot to get the kill. The problem is that the hitboxes in destiny are generous already so hitting headshots is easy, players who have the weapon like me don’t have a hard time landing headshots which is frustrating when trying to use different load outs. It doesn’t help that they are 180 rpm hand cannons either since they fire much faster than other hand cannons. The ttk I believe is almost 1.6? Anyways its faster than any primary in the game. Nothing wrong with pinnacle weapons but making them broken was dumb, pinnacle weapons should have the best stats in the game, some good perks but nothing that makes its damage extremely OP.