--- Disclamer this will be long --- -Here are my Thoughts & Opinions on the new Pre-patch Forsaken update. I've spent over 10 hours playing it. (Feel free to tell me yours) Before I start, I want to mention that people will always complain about everything and no one will ever be; or can be made happy. I appreciate Bungie efforts and hard work. Let's begin. - New title music Great like usual. - Current new obtainable gear ugly. - Load-out changes -PvE opinion - I like it, 5/5 its an amazing feeling being able to play and shoot things the way you want. With the Load-out you chose. -PvP opinion - it's ok, 3/5 (Before the update) the only thing I didn't like was the low TTK that encuranged Team shooting and heavy ammo dependency to kill. All that doesn't help when Bungie created maps that are 4v4 based then added 6v6, witch then made certain spawning experiences very unpleasant. ↑↑↑↑ ↑↑↑↑ (After update) - it got worse. ____________ Besides that as a competitive player I loved that I was able to run around and outgun people with gunfights and sometimes outs smart them with team coordination. (After Update) - I will admit they have done a couple things right but lots wrong, i don't find myself dying too heavy as much witch is good (no more heavy dependency, TTKs gone up I can tell, Altho now we're back in D1 where everyone is sliding with shotguns or One hit killing with shoulder charge again, now the brand new D2 SMG Architype's are Redundant due to special slot shotguns or Fusion rifles that will outclass any SMG especially the 900 RPM ones. I myself don't have an issue with snipers since it takes significantly more "skill" to use, because if you get shot you flinch, so it's either aim, shoot, kill; or aim, flinch, miss die, lol. I myself see no skill in a gun "shotguns" where you simply get close, aim and instant kills you no matter where the pellets hit. "But i respect those who use slug shotguns" since it's nearly the same concept as a sniper don't miss or you get punished. Back to the subject lol. All I wanted was faster TTK and one on one gunfights "no teamshots" well we got both (in quickplay 6v6) but with maps designed for 4v4 it's highly unlikely you don't see 2 or more people close to each other Soo you still get occasionally teamshot and just die a lot quicker.. Curtain Primary's (to clarify I mean Pre-patch D2 primary's) Curtain Primary's Need buffs. As a hunter I loved when wormhusk came out it gave me the ability to fight someone kill them, heal and get right back into the fight since D2 health Regen timer is Slow AF, my thoughts on (After update) Wormhusk. Wormhusk didn't need a Nerf it needed retweeking the best idea I had for the "retweeking" was the healing stayed the same but would only start when successfully completed dodging. since warlock rift act the same deploy the rift start healing, titan baricade deploy the baricade get health. Now evading with wormhusk is pointless because you will literally loss all the health you have gained or more due to high TTK now, hunters had a way of healing now that's gone... Disappointed. -Orphius Rigs - I believe they are Unententionally nerfed or bugged. -Haven't played with Titan or warlock Soo I don't have thoughts about their armor buffs or nerfs. -If anyone has any thoughts of their own, feel free to share, would love to read them. - I myself, am not convinced if I want to invest my money into forsaken, due to a couple of reasons. - I feel they are ripping off Verteran D2 players by charging 120$ CAD for Forsaken Deluxe edition, when I can pay 145$ CAD for. D2, Warmind, curse of Osiris, forsaken&annual pass. - Due to past issues when bungie has lied to their fan base on multiple occasions. - Very poor expansions.