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What justifies God to kill women and children in the OT?

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I still don't understand (explain why).

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I understand, but I don't believe anything you have to say.

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TL; DR. Sorry.

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[spoiler]I'm posting this because it is one of my most popular questions. [b]NOTE[/b]: It isn't finished yet, and I hope that I'll be able to explain later as to how this ties in with the salvation of those who never knew God.[/spoiler]Firstly, we must understand that the mentality of a Christian dictates that God is God. He is the entity that owes nothing anything. His sovereignty is what gives Him the justifiable right to do with what is His. Accordingly, [b]humanity deserves damnation out of the fact that we possess a sinful proclivity[/b] and willing admonishment to every evil deed humans can possibly imagine. The thinking is that humanity deserves and is pre-destined to receive this reality, but why is the killing of women and children contained in scripture? [b]There was a point in history where God was the immediate king of a people[/b], Israel, which is differently expressed as to how modern Christians view God as king over the Church. In OT times, Israel was under a theocracy in which the citizens were in subjugation to the rule of God until they demanded from the Levitical priests and from the current prophet Samuel to provide the people with a tangible king, but before this demand in additional politics, [b]there was an ethnic dimension that affected the society socially and politically[/b]. God was the immediate king, and He used His people as an instrument to accomplish His judgment in the world at that time. God stated to Abraham before the Hebrew's captivity in Egypt, "[i]And they[/i] (Israel, Jacob, or the Hebrews), [i]shall come back here [/i](Canaan, modern Israel, Syria, and Iran) [i]in the fourth generation, for the iniquity [/i](sin or transgression of the law) [i]of the Amorites is not yet complete[/i]" (Gen. 15:16, ESV). Afterward, God sent His own people as the instruments of His judgment. God's punishment isn't in response to arbitrary reasons. [b]We must remember that the punishment inflicted upon anyone was always in response to an ethical upheaval[/b]. As portrayed in the story of Jonah, it depicted a man who was instructed to go to Nineveh in order for the city to have the opportunity to repent of it's wickedness. From an un-bias perspective, the situation describes an Israelite going to the Assyrian Capitol (not even an Israelite-affiliated nation) to demand them to repent from the wickedness they participated in daily. Unlike the Amorites, the citizens of Nineveh were ignorant, and instead of being treated with the deserved "wrath of God," they were oddly met with mercy. A current example of this right today is exhibited by the will of God to bestow the "sword" unto the government (Rom. 13:4); therefore, [b]the government has the justified and biblical right to take a rapist or a murderer with the intention of putting him in jail or to put him to death[/b]. This form of capital punishment is consistent with Genesis 9 and consistent with God's character and attitude toward the value of man, stating, "[i]Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image[/i]" (Gen. 9:6), which is very different than saying, "Anybody can go around killing anyone for any reason." [b]Currently, Christians were never intended to be a political entity, but another instrument to spread the theological thinking[/b]. During those times, God shared His authority to take life, but [b]the Church today is not under the same theocratic bureaucracy that once governed the nation of Ancient Israel.[/b]

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  • He's God. He made the universe, he can do whatever the flying f-ck he wants.

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    • Just getting some scans in for the log book, don't want anything salty to pass by---wait, hold on! *NaCl detector starts going wild* Wow! I've never seen a reading go so high before! It's almost through the roof with salt!

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      • Cause jewish God is an asshole

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            • Edited by lefty famalam: 8/5/2015 10:03:56 AM
              [spoiler] this isn't a forum for religious talk, you're not doing any favours [/spoiler]

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              • Men, Women, and Children*

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                • What justifies Santa giving coal to children for Christmas?

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                  • He's god. If he's real he can do what ever wants.

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                      • Ok, I'll give you one reply. Undeniably prove to me why god does or doesn't exist.

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                        • I believe God takes women and children from the Earth because their work is done, and he wants them back by his side.

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                          • Sin

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                            • Watch this if you have a sense of understanding >.>

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                              • God is God. You don't have to think its "ok" or "just".

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                                • I love it how anti-Christians (not just atheists) attack the radicals and then pretend they somehow defeated the more rational ones.

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                                  • If God actually cares about how events unfolded in history, why not just turn back time and rewrite it. You know because he is all powerful. Because time apparently is outside of his domain. What does that tell you? Not God, but god. (Aliens)

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                                    • I don't remember that happening in the Original Trilogy.

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                                      • This

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                                        • Because men kill women and children...

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                                          • Try Mormon.org

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                                            • I like to think god doesn't have any interaction with humans and he doesn't care what we do..... that's if he exists

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                                              • Wtf does the poll has to be with the title? "i understand" is a justification for what God did

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                                                • An all powerful being that can all and every event unfold before it and yet still choices to create a race that is inherently flawed and yet still punishes that race is not a saviour it is a tyrant a being mad with power and yet indifferent to any harm or suffering that comes to its creations. Let's lol at this shall we. Gay=Hell Lesbian=hell Lie=hell Cheat=hell Worship another God=hell Work on the sabbath=Hell Wear clothes of mixed fabrics=hell Slavery=fine -blam!- (as long as you marry your victim)=fine Beatings=fine (as long as the slave lives for X amount of days after the beating) Marrying your cousin=fine Marrying your betrothed and her slaves=fine Taking women as spoils of war=fine Segregation of races/nationalities=fine How the Fück is any of that the moral system of an all loving,caring,moral creator? Those are the rules and regulations of a being that has gone mad with its power and unfit to be called God.

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                                                  • Didn't read the post, no attention span.

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                                                    • I still don't understand. [spoiler]im too lazy to read all that[/spoiler]

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