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5/10/2015 10:43:00 AM
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Okay, so if that is the case, why do Christians celebrate these festivals, in much the same way that Pagans celebrated Yule/ Sol Invictus/ Saturnalia, and Easter?
The exchanging of gifts, decorating houses, Christmas trees, eating and drinking yourself silly, are all traditions dating back to pre Christian times.
Christians should do none of that, if they are to be strictly observant. Christmas to Christians should be a time of fasting and abstinence.
Easter or Eostre is the name of a Germanic goddess associated with hares, eggs, and most of the imagery of Easter.
I don't really mind what Christians do, but when they celebrate Christmas and Easter like Pagans, they have no grounds to tell Atheists what to do.
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Edited by U4442043: 5/10/2015 10:26:14 PMHoly -blam!-, I hate when people attribute Easter to an old pagan holiday. Easter is an English word. Every other languages refer to this holiday as some variant of the word "pasha". I don't care who celebrates, just get your god damn facts straight.
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Yes, Easter is probably an English word. But English is a Germanic language, and prechristian English believed in the Germanic pantheon.
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But Easter was instituted by the Romans, their language was definitely not Germanic lmfao
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The Romans called it Pascha. The Christianity that Rome brought to Britain was largely replaced by Odinism by the Anglo-Saxons, after the Romans left in the 5th Century. Anglo-Saxons never lived under Roman rule or occupation. They originated from The Jutland Peninsula, and modern day Lower Saxony. Those were areas that formed part of what Romans called Magna Germania. Their conversion to Christianity took place during Gregorian Mission and Hiberno-Scottish Mission of the 7th Century. The last pagan king in what is now England was Penda of Mercia who died in 655. 245 years after the Roman withdrawal of Britain.
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And all of that had nothing to do with the connection between the word Easter and the pagan God Eostre because the origins of Easter are Roman, nothing to do with Germanic pagan gods. The English name came after and has nothing to do with the origin of Easter as a stolen pagan ritual.
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Yeah, you're right and the Venerable Bede was wrong. It was just a terrible coincidence that Eosturmonath is the old name for April, and there couldn't be a crazier time for Early Middle Age pagans to celebrate a fertility diety than around the time of the Spring Equinox. Of course, these people just dropped all their ancient traditions like a hot potato the moment they got baptised.
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[quote]Okay, so if that is the case, why do Christians celebrate these festivals, in much the same way that Pagans celebrated Yule/ Sol Invictus/ Saturnalia, and Easter? The exchanging of gifts, decorating houses, Christmas trees, eating and drinking yourself silly, are all traditions dating back to pre Christian times. Christians should do none of that, if they are to be strictly observant. Christmas to Christians should be a time of fasting and abstinence. Easter or Eostre is the name of a Germanic goddess associated with hares, eggs, and most of the imagery of Easter. I don't really mind what Christians do, but when they celebrate Christmas and Easter like Pagans, they have no grounds to tell Atheists what to do.[/quote] This guy really is an idiot. The real Easter has nothing to do with Germanic goddesses and eggs. It is actually about Christ returning from the dead, the eggs and such have no religious grounds.
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Okay then smart arse. Why don't you tell us all wtf bunnies and eggs have to do with the Resurrection. While you're at it maybe you can tell us what Christmas Trees, Holly and Mistletoe have to do with the birth of Christ.
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They have nothing to do with any Christian holidays. They just developed when Christian beliefs and traditions mixed with that of pagans.
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So if Christians can adopt pagan traditions, why can't atheists adopt either?
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Because atheism isn't a religion
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I don't see how that answers the question. If anything, it does the opposite.
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Because I like presents.
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[quote]Because I like presents.[/quote]
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[quote]Okay, so if that is the case, why do Christians celebrate these festivals, in much the same way that Pagans celebrated Yule/ Sol Invictus/ Saturnalia, and Easter? The exchanging of gifts, decorating houses, Christmas trees, eating and drinking yourself silly, are all traditions dating back to pre Christian times. Christians should do none of that, if they are to be strictly observant. Christmas to Christians should be a time of fasting and abstinence. Easter or Eostre is the name of a Germanic goddess associated with hares, eggs, and most of the imagery of Easter. I don't really mind what Christians do, but when they celebrate Christmas and Easter like Pagans, they have no grounds to tell Atheists what to do.[/quote] It doesn't matter what they [b]were[/b] what matters is what they represent now.
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So what do Easter bunnies and Eggs represent now? What do Christmas Trees, Holly and Mistletoe represent now? What do any of them have to do with the birth or resurrection of Christ? Nothing, they're traditions that date back to pre Christian times. There is nothing wrong with Christians or anyone keeping these traditions. The point is that while Easter and Christmas have obvious religious significance to Christians, not all which is connected to those holidays are Christian in origin.
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[quote][quote]Okay, so if that is the case, why do Christians celebrate these festivals, in much the same way that Pagans celebrated Yule/ Sol Invictus/ Saturnalia, and Easter? The exchanging of gifts, decorating houses, Christmas trees, eating and drinking yourself silly, are all traditions dating back to pre Christian times. Christians should do none of that, if they are to be strictly observant. Christmas to Christians should be a time of fasting and abstinence. Easter or Eostre is the name of a Germanic goddess associated with hares, eggs, and most of the imagery of Easter. I don't really mind what Christians do, but when they celebrate Christmas and Easter like Pagans, they have no grounds to tell Atheists what to do.[/quote] It doesn't matter what they [b]were[/b] what matters is what they represent now.[/quote] Christmas is not explicitly Christian in modern times. "It doesn't matter what they were, what matters now is what they represent now.
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Edited by steg567: 5/10/2015 4:36:45 PM[quote][quote][quote]Okay, so if that is the case, why do Christians celebrate these festivals, in much the same way that Pagans celebrated Yule/ Sol Invictus/ Saturnalia, and Easter? The exchanging of gifts, decorating houses, Christmas trees, eating and drinking yourself silly, are all traditions dating back to pre Christian times. Christians should do none of that, if they are to be strictly observant. Christmas to Christians should be a time of fasting and abstinence. Easter or Eostre is the name of a Germanic goddess associated with hares, eggs, and most of the imagery of Easter. I don't really mind what Christians do, but when they celebrate Christmas and Easter like Pagans, they have no grounds to tell Atheists what to do.[/quote] It doesn't matter what they [b]were[/b] what matters is what they represent now.[/quote] Christmas is not explicitly Christian in modern times. "It doesn't matter what they were, what matters now is what they represent now.[/quote] The ACLU disagrees, thats why Christmas trees cant be in public property anymore.
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To be fair, the act of giving gifts to others is very Christian in regards to celebrating Christmas, as the three wise men gave gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh to the baby Jesus.
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Ah yes, I see your point. I would still maintain that Christians are not the first or only ones to traditionally exchange gifts at that time of year. Christmas in most Northern European nations, and nations who inherited traditions from them, is basically Yule, with a Christian superimposition. Even though these are Chrisitan holidays, they are also steeped in tradition, pre Christian tradition.
