Anyone know, does anyone have a link?
Candidates:
Kabr Titan
Praedyth Warlock
Pahanin Hunter
Osiris Warlock
Toland Warlock
Stolen from another post, very interesting!
Credit to Evilman520
[spoiler][quote]Kabr the Legionless was one of the most powerful Guardians in history. It's any speculation as to how he opened the vault. As somebody mentioned earlier, it may have been possible that the rest of his fireteam had been erased from existence by The Templar, the Oracles, and the Gorgons. If they no longer existed, than he wouldn't even remember them. Thats why, although he says that nobody was with him, there's something missing from his memory, and all he recalls are blank figures, running, shooting, and helping him. So, although he can no longer recall the names or faces of his comrades, pieces of his memory show him that he was, indeed, never alone.
When they encountered the Templar the darkness was too strong, and Kabr and his presumed fireteam were outmatched by the Templar and its Oracles. One by one, the Oracles and the Templar erased his team. This explains how he knows what the Oracles and the Templar are able to do, without having had to experience it himself. Kabr, and possibly one other, only survived because, in a last-ditch attempt, their Ghosts used all of their light to cleanse the darkness from their masters' bodies before it could negate them from existence. This sacrifice was what killed his Ghost, which is why he says that they have taken his Ghost from him.
After Kabr and his remaining comrade escaped from the Templar's domain, they encountered the Gorgons. Knowing that the forces inside the Vault were beyond reality, they attempted to use stealth to pass by them, but were caught by one of them. They responded with overwhelming force and destroyed the Gorgon, but at the cost of his final teammate. After destroying the Gorgon, he became insanely curious and obsessed with the reality-bending powers of these Vex, and took its body with him, to fashion it into armor. He believed that, by wearing these Vex's armor, he would be unkillable, and might even gain their power.
Determined to see the axis mind of these powerful Vex, he made his way to the Glass Throne, and fought the forces inside to awaken it. However, when he became marked by the void, that is when he started to feel the Darkness consume him. He opened the second gate, killed the gatekeeper, then noticed the massive change to the area, and surmised that the two portals were of the past and the future. As his vision was nearly gone, he saw the massive glasslike Vex known as Atheon appear before him. He then knew that time was being warped in this place because of the Darkness. He wanted to know if there was any weakness or counter to this temporal force, a way to fight back against the darkness that was controlling time: Light. Light, fused into the nearly indestructible armor of the Gorgons, would be impossible for the Darkness to consume. He took the remaining armor from the dead Gorgon, fashioned it into a shield, then took the light from his dying body and infused it into the shield, then, as Atheon attempted to send him into the Timestream to be lost within time, Kabr sent the shield into the Timestream instead, along with his final words and curse. Unlike the rest of this presumed fireteam, Kabr was not erased by the Vault. Instead, he simply fought until the darkness began to consume him. That's why, although nobody remembers Kabr's team, they remember Kabr, and thus remember him as "The Legionless."[/quote][/spoiler]
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9 답변작성자: x_8-BitZombie_x 12/7/2014 11:02:59 AMI agree with Praedeth being part of his fire team since there is no record of his/her existence any where else and both Revenge and Timepiece tend to suggest he/she was lost in time. As for Toland, Pahanin, and Osiris other guardians remember and know who they are so they couldn't have been negated from existence. All of the information we have of Kabr and the vault suggests that his fire team was wiped from existence and even Kabr doesn't remember who they are or that they were with him. If we are to believe that the gear titans find in the vault belonged to Kabr the rest of the gear must have belonged to his fire team; since there is only one set of armor for each class we can be lead to believe that only three guardians entered of them only Kabr survived and escaped (notice that the new raid had six guardians enter and will have two sets of armor available per class.) We know that Kabr must have gotten out of the Vault since his last words were recorded, since he was alone (assuming the rest of his fireteam was negated) and without his ghost there would have been no way for any one to hear his last words unless they were after he escaped the Vault. It's likely that Kabr's interactions with Pahanin occurred after he escaped from the Vault, the fall of Kabr more than likely describes his descent into madness before disappearing. Also, I'd like to make not that your spoiler content is very similar to a post I made weeks ago on a similar topic; although I don't think he ever made it to the throne of glass, it's more likely that he found a way out of the Vault through a passage in the Gorgons Labyrinth since he did not die in the vault because guardians outside of the Vault knew his last words without entering. *Edit* By the way, here's the full version of what I theorized on November 11th; it's way more detailed and has all my reasoning for what I believe happened... [spoiler] [url]http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/78349108/0/0/1[/url] Here's my theory of what happened in the Vault; sorry if it is a bit long winded... First we know that Kabr says that "No one can open the Vault alone. I opened the Vault. There was no one with me but I was not alone," this one statement alone says a great deal about Kabr's experience and gives us our first hint that the Legionless was not always without a legion. Secondly if we are to believe that the armor titans find in the Vault belonged to Kabr the armor that hunters and warlocks find must have belonged to his fire team. With that established we can assume that Kabr with an unknown hunter and warlock first opened the vault and made their way into it's depths; we can then assume that they found the Templar's Well and fought back the Vex there. Now it's possible that they could have defended the confluxes and even possibly defeated the first wave of oracles but when finally faced with the Templar they threw everything they had at him and nothing worked. Eventually it is likely that they were marked by the oracles, I believe this is what Kabr means when he says "I drank of <the oracles>. It tasted like the sea," when the Templar begins his ritual of negation though I believe Kabr's ghost sacrificed it's self in order to keep Kabr from being erased from existence. Unfortunately it did not save his fireteam, this is why no one remembers any guardians being with Kabr, even Kabr himself does not remember them even though he knows that they must have been with him since it was impossible to get in without them. After his ghost sacrificed itself to save Kabr he realizes the Templar can not be defeated so he retreats, finding (or possibly creating) the hole in the wall at the back of the Templar's Well; in an attempt to stop him the Templar tries to block off this path but is too late and Kabr makes it through just in time (this is why the path is closed when we enter and is not opened until the Templar has died.) Eventually Kabr found his way to the Gorgon's Labyrinth where he encountered a Gorgon and used the last of his light to defeat it; his light and possibly even part of his spirit/mind merged with the dying Gorgon and the Aegis Relic came into being (For those who don't know in Greek mythology the Aegis is a shield that has the head of a Gorgon attached to it, which lends some reference to this.) From there the question is what happened next? Now we can assume that based on the Vault's grimoire stating "In the time before he vanished he said things that I think should be remembered. " and the Relic's card containing his last words he must have gotten out of the Vault and made it back to other Guardians to tell them what happened inside. Since we use our ghost to return us back to orbit we can assume that this was not an option for Kabr with his ghost gone, so I have three theories for how he escaped: First, he found a path in the Gorgon's Labyrinth that lead back to the surface. This is the least likely case, but if it were the case we would be able to find this path as well; if he found a way out why wouldn't he take the Relic with him? Secondly, the Relic teleported Kabr out of the Vault so he could tell of his experiences and possibly find other guardians to use the Relic to defeat Atheon. This makes the most sense, because it also explains why we teleport during the Atheon battle; Atheon moves the Relic into the past or future and the Relic then teleports us to it (hence why we teleport shortly after the time stream opening not the moment it does, the Relic goes first and then brings us to that time period.) Now reading the card for Gorgon's explains why the Relic doesn't teleport out with Kabr: Gorgon's have no power outside of the Vault, therefore neither does the Aegis Relic. Lastly, someone entered into the Vault and retrieved Kabr. This seems the least likely, but if it is the case it was the Exo Stranger who saved Kabr; her card saying that she dissolves in and out of reality along with the fact that the Stranger's Rifle indicates that she seems to be able to travel through time as well indicates that she could have found a way into the Vault and saved Kabr since "there are those who maintain that her intervention saved their lives." If she did save him, she may have had no idea what the Aegis was and left it there thinking it was some sort of Vex technology. In the time after the Vault Kabr simply began to lose his mind; trying to figure out what happened to himself, his fireteam, and his ghost took it's toll on him. He began to speak in riddles, and rant to anyone who listened to him; eventually he began to lose faith in his own existence and who he was; this is what eventually led to him saying "Now it is done. If I speak again, I am not Kabr." This is his acknowledgment that he believes he no longer exists just like his fireteam, this simple acknowledgment alone could have been what caused him to vanish. Pahanin Errata witnessed Kabr's descent into madness, and created Super Good Advice in order to keep himself from having the same fate; the AI would remind him that he existed and was not alone. Now the question still remains: Who was with Kabr? One hint lies in the weapons we find, specifically Praedeth's Revenge and Timepiece who's text reads "Praedyth's fall isn't over... because it hasn't happened yet... and it will happen again." and "He skipped like a stone on time's ocean. This is what's left" respectively. So who is Praedeth? These statements seem to lead us to believe that he was potentially lost in time, which could mean that he was one of the Guardian's who was with Kabr in the vault, based on both weapons being precision based (a pulse rifle, and sniper rifle) I assume that he was the hunter who entered with Kabr. There is some credibility to this in that it's the only place Praedeth is ever mentioned, which could mean that outside of the Vault no one may know he ever existed. So that leaves us with the Warlock who entered with Kabr? Well the only other name mentioned in any item from the Vault is Osiris, mentioned on Tread of the Hezen Lords (Warlock raid leg armor) "Rumor has it that the exile Osiris came too close to understanding the Vex." Could the exiled Osiris have been the warlock that entered the vault with Kabr? Most likely this isn't the case since Osiris is recognized elsewhere as well so other people know he existed; but this is the best lead that we have at this point.[/spoiler]
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2 답변Pahanin's was not a fireteam member. He was who Kabr consulted with before going back into the vault.
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4 답변작성자: Kupidity 12/9/2014 11:59:17 AM
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4 답변작성자: BRAAAAIINS 12/9/2014 4:24:17 AMKabr Hacksaw Jim Duggan Jake "The Snake" Roberts Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka Macho Man Randy Savage The Ultimate Warrior Can't think of a better squad.
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2 답변it was: kabr kabr's mom kabr's 2nd cousin twice removed kabr's pet moa kabr's fallen dreg slave a guy that looked exactly like kabr but was named johnny
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6 답변작성자: Bushido 12/9/2014 3:55:15 AM
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1 답변Just to be clear, you named the people who the raid weapons are named after, then quoted someone else's giant theory, and posted it as your theory. Is this right?
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3 답변Jack Hobgoblin John Templar Melissa Gorgon Alfred Praetorian & Katherine Harpy Hence the names. (Honestly I have NO idea)
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2 답변작성자: Techno2929 12/8/2014 11:38:03 PMIn my mind I see preadyth being a vex God/king, seeing as the description says preadyth's fall has not happened yet and it will happen Edit: Toland was a crazy warlock exiled by the vanguard Was a hunter who was Kabrs best friend who eventually went mad(his guns started talking to him) Osiris was an old dude that no one knows much about Sources: Grimoire