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작성자: Mallek561 11/8/2014 2:46:22 PM
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Why are there "cheesing" spots in every strike

I find it strange that there is a way to cheese every boss in the strike. Is this because we as a player base are very smart and know how to use our environment or just because lazy game testing with the development of the game allowed these places all over the game. I for one remember the thrill of the first time I took on phogoth running around like a chicken with my head cut off trying to wait it out 30 seconds so my team could revive. now everyone just stands in a place where they can't be hit by adds or the boss. Do you use cheese spots?
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  • Cheese spots don't exist. These strikes are terrihard. Bungie no one here knows what they are talking about. Just keep going onto the next thread ----> that way!

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    • Because not many people would be able to complete without them.

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    • I think everyone uses cheese spots for the nightfall, me included.

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    • Where cheesing seems like an oversight by the developers its actually us playing right onto their hands. Destiny 1 is the trial run where they get to see how we approach fights, find loopholes and come out on top. They counter cheese with RNG. Gamers these days try to find cheese in everything and try to claim fame on youtube. I don't mind cheese as these bosses are a little over the top and i think inappropriately balanced. There needs to be a greater boss mechanic like atheon or gatekeeper that warrants a win. Not hiding behind cover, killing adds and taking down a bullet sponge. Of course that's a boss mechanic in itself but it's overused. Atheon if you can get through the portals alive and everyone in the center you are rewarded with damage to the boss, that's good boss mechanics. We are just their guinea pigs.

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      • To put it simply... Bad enemy AI

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      • Not smart enough ai. We as gamers will try to figure out every way to get stuff done the easiest.

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      • I cheese on Phogoth on two areas: behind the rocks and above Phogoth on that beam. XD For Nexus, it's on that ring and for Archon Priest, it's under the sniper platform. And finally the Sepik Prime, I hide inside the window on the left side on the second floor. It's sorta glitched out so you go inside the window and receive no damage or shoot out from. You just have to stick out a little more too but going back to safety. XD

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        • Keeping in mind that there appears to be a spot that is safer, but by no means a slam dunk, I'd say that it is intentional. All the "safe" spots I know of are still very prone to AoE damage (most prevalent type in boss fights). Examples: Devils Lair - In entrance to boss room: Captains spawn (only way they spawn in that fight), AoE damage, Vacuum attack can kill you, grenades from dregs. In side room: Boss AoE and vacuum attack can kill you, grenades from dregs. On top of fork lift: yeah, you pretty much can't get hurt there. Summoning Pits - Room behind shrieker room: Wizards and knights will shoot into that room and kill you. In "rafters": you pretty much can't be killed there. Nexus - In entrance tunnel: Boss AoE damage can kill you fast if it hits the ceiling, Axis Minotaur spawns and can kill you fast. Behind stone structure: are pretty much completely vulnerable when you come out to shoot the boss/adds. Archon Priest - On top of rocks: Can be sniped, dreg grenades, have been killed by vandal seeker shots. Under platform: vandals can snipe you dead before you realize they are there (unless you keep a look out), AoE damage, boss melee attack can kill you, and basically anything can kill you there. The cover helps though. Cerberus Vae III - Behind crates - Rockets, minigun, Phalanx melee attack can all still kill you with shocking regularity for a shady spot. In chamber before the boss room: Phalanx spawn. Dust Palace - I don't know of any shady spots. So seems like with a few exceptions, every on of the "safe" spots are just a few moments away from straight murdering you. One thing that I don't mention is that in all those spots, there is very little maneuvering room. So if things do go sideways, you pretty much have no options for recovering. I'd say they are "safe" to a point and that point.

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          • These spots were clearly intentional additions by the level designers. Geometry like that doesn't just happen. That safe little hidey-hole in the wall right below the long drop into Sekrion's Nexus? Absolutely put there on purpose. My thought on it is that the developers put these spots in for a reason, and I feel absolutely no compunction about using them. I would much rather the game be a little less focused on super-damage gimmicks for enemies (which to be fair the player can use too), but for so long as enemies are getting Burn mods and Lightswitch, yeah, I'll be using those terrain tricks.

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            • I have certain spots I go to when I play strikes. Idk if I'm cheesing? I thought cheesing was just pushing a boss off. Such a dumb word lol. I do what I need to do to not die.

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            • It seems to me they are there to help solo players pass the nightfall/weekly heroic (28) missions. The archon priest strike would probably be near impossible on solo if you couldn't hide under the platform.

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              • 작성자: KingSlayerKat 11/7/2014 11:46:01 PM
                I don't consider them cheese spots, it's cover, which is a basic aspect of every shooter. If you're not smart while using them, you can still die, the spots have their weaknesses and limitations. I found most of the spots by myself before anyone knew about them, so I considering a form of strategy for those who didn't youtube it.

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              • The problem is the people who find and share these spots. They should be in there cause gamers should be rewarded for being smart, but with every one wanting to be recognized for finding something all you need to have is basic google foo to get the rewards of smart players. That said I did look up a golden chest on the moon.

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              • Not for Sepiks I don't think.

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                • I use cheese spots in nightfall. I hate getting to the boss then having to go back to orbit if I die.

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                • Do you think if nightfall didn't kick you to orbit you would be less inclined to use the spots?

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                • Dude it's not cheese at all. I suppose you went solo on a nightfall and stood in the open? You still can die in these spots mate

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                  • I can't say that I use cheese spots. In fact I don't even know where they are on most of them. Only time I tried was because my team wiped on the Arkon NF so my buddy looked up a vid that said to hide under the platform. So we tested it on a tiger strike first. It was super boring and honestly took longer than just hiding and jumping on the rocks etc. and being careful with one person on shank duty with a solar sniper.

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                  • The spots are the for a reason, I think devs made them that way, they are too obvious in my opinion, there are also ways to cover and stay safe without using them, I don't think they are a mistake

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                    • Yup. It's in the playable area without having to exploit a glitch then t should be fair game. After all, isn't that what bungie advertised? Open worlds. Oh I almost forgot, invisible walls everywhere to appease all the crying kids.

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                    • Definitely. You know what they say, work smart, not hard.

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                    • there are thousands of people playing the game. thats thousands of minds looking for the best/easiest way. much more than the 10-20 testers they may have. it is not possible for them to find all of them or even think of the ridiculous amount of combinations required to prevent every cheese.

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                    • Smarts. They didn't think rocks and crates combined with enemy ai would make its easier. Some enemies are agressive af but yeah

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                    • Of course

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                    • There has been cheese spots in games for a long time.

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                    • There is cheese because Sam the level designer really liked it in his sandwiches.

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