Lw knives have been busted for a while now. The ability itself is too potent. I have used them ever since they got buffed tp have two charges so I’m glad their strength is coming to light for a nerf. Edit. Knife trick is also a good choice in PvP, we would just use that for the longest time before lw knives got buffed around a year ago.

The fact you keep saying that lw knives have always been busted and are even saying FoK is good in pvp is proof you're either a troll or you have no idea what you're talking about. If something is busted, players more often than not use it to even the playing field. It's a fact in every game. And the fact that VERY FEW to NO players used either in pvp for years if not ever is proof enough. The only other explanation would be that the number of people using one or the other in pvp were so few before EOF you were more likely to get struck by lightning than to die by one about or the other.

The real reason they want it nerfed is simple: these people hate Hunters. They see more Hunters in the Crucible and assume it's because they're broken instead of realizing that Hunters are the most played AT across the entire game for reasons unrelated to the Crucible. In fact, Hunters are relatively weak in the Crucible. They've been pointlessly nerfed so many times from so many different angles that they're forced to be the only class that's almost entirely reliant on player gunskill and map knowledge. So the moment a group of people trained to outskill an opponent gets access to something that hard-stomps on unaware Titan and Warlock apes (smoke bomb, invis, Tempest Strike, Lightweight Knife + Spreadshot HC) it has to get nerfed because said apes don't know how else to play. They're used to being able to ignore everything, rush at the "red wedge" and shove a barrel down the player's throat with near impunity. If they can't do that, they consider the Crucible environment to be "broken." They don't care that Prism Titans are the best in PvP and have been since they were introduced. They don't care that Titans in general are the best class in the competitive modes. They don't care that Warlocks are one of the safest ranged threats with unparalleled aerial combat options. They don't care that the only viable "Hunter tricks" require putting the Hunter themselves at risk to execute and rely on the opponent to make a mistake to even have a shot at working in the first place. tl;dr: they hate Hunters because the only kits we have left stuff apes. Simple as.

Bro what? Don’t bring warlocks in to this. If you die to electric surge it’s because you was low or hurt enough to be collateral

Wider range and longer reach than the animation would suggest, animation often forces your melee to miss in a game that already has trash melee registration, OHK potential (yes, I've been killed at full health by it multiple times in the past while alone, so either it has OHK potential or people tend to hit me a second time faster than the game registers the first and should be nerfed so you can't use it if you shoot while sliding, other abilities on other classes should follow suit), and team wipe capabilities with up to 3 or more charges. I'll worry about hunter crutches that are only enabled by specific weapons or exotics when everyone else loses their crutches they have instant access to and don't need anything to be strong as hell.