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작성자: Shockwave 989
3/16/2025 5:48:54 PM
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Byf did bring up the Not-Worm mentioned in Echoes and I do believe it’s a likely candidate given the reaction to an Echo and the fact that the emergence of these new Taken and the Eversion anchors coincide with the Echo of Navigation.
The major question is what makes this creature a Not-Worm?
The eyes have always invoked that image of Ahsa looking into the sub in Deep for me, which could point towards a Proto-Worm that hasn’t quite undergone the same Worm God transformation. Perhaps an exile, or one that chose to follow the Sword but managed to escape imprisonment below the depths of Fundament.
Because as you mention, it clearly has more mastery over Darkness than our other foes given that it has not only managed to acquire the power to Take, it also commands Stasis and Strand while rivalling Oryx’s command of the Taken as well as the Dread.
This thread could actually see the Taken utterly separated from the Hive by the Episode’s conclusion, which would be a massive departure from their utilisation since their introduction in Taken King.
The question is why does it seek to use the Eversion Anchors? What purpose does using the Ascendant Plane in such fashion serve? Is this force aligned with the Winnower, or does it work for its own reasons?
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The reason why I’m leaning away from Nezarec is twofold.
One would expect both Savathûn and Xivu would have some familiarity with the Disciple, as Savathûn worked alongside him and Xivu witnessed the attempts to revive the Disciple in Plunder.
I’m not entirely convinced that Nezarec retains the same hold over death after his infusion with Light during Root of Nightmares.
To me there’s a very real possibility he was killed for good during Revenant, but I’m open to being disproven on that with time.
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nezarec isn't dead because there's still relics of him out there, one being inside delicate tomb and one being at the fourth tomb, which is referenced in the lore tab for the ship you get for completing RON on master difficulty
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Both of which are recovered prior to Root of Nightmares. The currently known relics of Nezarec were utilised in the ritual that gave Mithrax the curse. This process drained them of their primal Darkness, which is likely what allowed his people this resurrection property. His only other known remains were infused with Light at the opening of Lightfall and this caused volatility within Nezarec. We’ve seen no indication his new remains retain this possessive property. And given that Osiris has yet to show any symptoms as a result of the Neztea, Mithrax was the only indication of his survival in any form through the curse, that got purged by an Echo. It’s all a case of how Savathûn’s spell and the Light interfere with his ability to resurrect. Her curse was meant to bind him to his flesh, hence his lack of resurrection between the Collapse and Lightfall. The Traveler’s Light kickstarted his regeneration within the Witness’s Pyramid which resulted in an unstable abomination. So it all comes down to his consciousness persisting without the anchor of his body nor the Curse, which was present in Mithrax already by the time of his death within Root of Nightmares.
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there has been 0 lore indication that the relic/body part in the fourth tomb was recovered, drifter found the tomb and quickly made a departure because he came in contact with one of nezarec's disciples, and it's still a mystery on where exactly it is located
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Considering Drifter removed the relic from the tomb and sold it to a buyer, chances are it returned to Eliksni hands and potentially became one of the very relics recovered during Plunder. But you’re right, we don’t know 100% what happened to it. That’s also why I specified known, as there are other potential loose ends like the finger Mithrax wore and lost. But that’s why I specified Savathûn’s curse, which bound Nezarec to the flesh of his current body to prevent revival through his natural processes. The Witness clearly sought to make his Disciple whole again, but that didn’t go to plan. Could some rogue relic remain? Sure. I’m likely wrong on the completely dead aspect in those cases. But I suspect if he does persist he will forever bound to those remaining relics, unless enough remain to complete another ritual and inflict the curse upon themselves for him to possess them. But for full transparency, do keep in mind I am Nezarec’s #1 Hater fuelled purely by my feelings on Lightfall as a filler content and I see the fact Bungie brought him in as a Disciple as a move purely to have an easy raid boss after Calus died as a final story boss. I don’t find him nearly as compelling as Rhulk, especially considering RoN’s lore book has almost nothing to do with him.
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[quote]The question is why does it seek to use the Eversion Anchors? What purpose does using the Ascendant Plane in such fashion serve? Is this force aligned with the Winnower, or does it work for its own reasons?[/quote] If it happens to be one of the Nine who has claimed the power to Take for itself, using the Eversion Anchors on Earth would drag another member of the Nine into the Ascendant Plane. Alternatively, the majority of its power is concentrated in the Ascendant Plane, so dragging Earth into the Ascendant Plane would all but guarantee its supremacy over us.
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작성자: jhermannITJ 3/16/2025 7:54:18 PMOf course. Speaking to your conclusion. And the Nine were never a monolith. Is Orin dead? I don't think so... That's how we know right? Their ascension... Drifter's interactions with Orin. The circumstances related to Mara's intrusion of Jovian space.
