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1/19/2025 6:39:38 AM
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Just no. This is the reason people are leaving this game because whinny people crying over every little thing. It’s amazing how everything you said was wrong and stupid.
You are not forced to play this game if you aren’t having fun take a break and come back with Heresy.
You’re welcome.
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작성자: TBONE 1/19/2025 2:30:43 PMVery strong but not busted. It takes either an ability kill or 3 stasis weapon kills before it’s even on the field. The reasons I say it’s not busted is because it’s a relic that any player can pick up and use as long as you are on the same team. I would love my teammates to pick them up and use them but they never do. If you get far range kills you have to run across the map to collect in time before it de-spawns and only 13 seconds to use it. (Tangles get 20 seconds) Freezing with a lance doesn’t kill players unless they have literally 40HP left. It’s the shatter that kills. But freeze and shatter are the main verbs of Behemoth. The diamond lance is a aspect not an ability so it is useless if I don’t hit the requirements to generate one. I would like to use other aspects but unbreakable is useless in PVP, Consecration is difficult to pull off consistently and Abeyant leap is just a worse version of the lance. I agree that it’s strong but not busted.
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That's cope. The lance + knockout interaction is one of the most broken combos pvp has ever seen. Add in shiver strike and you can easily move around the map making lances, freezing people, and punching them to one shot with shatter. You are acting like it's some tall order to get one melee kill on the most jittery class in the game. It isn't. And that's JUST aspects + melee
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How’s it cope it’s been the staple of behemoth for over 3 years. People just didn’t use it because of Void Titan and Wellock was the meta. I never said it’s a “Tall order” I just put realistic game scenarios into my argument. Why are you pretending that it’s the be all and end all of PVP? It’s not “OP” because after 3 years it’s still not had a nerf. You’re just coping to justify being DOG S### at PvP.
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They released the best PvE DPS build in awhile with final shape on hunter. Season before I played warlock and then the one before that titan. People who are good at the game pick whatever class they want :), it’s not my fault you’re hard stuck on eating crayons.
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[quote]They released the best PvE DPS build in awhile with final shape on hunter. Season before I played warlock and then the one before that titan. People who are good at the game pick whatever class they want :), it’s not my fault you’re hard stuck on eating crayons.[/quote] Ok…..? I don’t have the time for 3 characters as I just play with the one I made over 10 years. It’s easy and fun. I play skill fully enough to get ascendant and once I get my emblem it’s back to the mad and mostly ineffective builds I play. That’s all I play for a laugh with friends. Not my fault you’re a sheep.
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작성자: Meaga 1/22/2025 4:33:51 PMI don’t have the time for three characters either, that’s why I pick one per large release. That doesn’t make me a sheep, sorry that facing the fact that you have a skill issue makes you that mad. I also just play with friends, no difference there. You’re in relegation, and ascendant doesn’t mean too much overall so idk why you’re tossing those around.
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I play for fun not KD it’s a game. Fusion rifle I don’t use fusions I don’t like the charge time. I get Auto as my main weapon is Necrochasm as it’s fun. Guess you forgot that it’s about having a laugh. You looked up stats and think I care. Lol let’s look at you for FUN.
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작성자: Zodleon 1/19/2025 10:38:58 PM[quote]How’s it cope it’s been the staple of behemoth for over 3 years. People just didn’t use it because of Void Titan and Wellock was the meta.[/quote] It's just like how strand clone was not really a problem till prismatic, stasis titan (after the original stasis nerfs) didn't have a lot of ways to generate them, then prismatic comes around and now diamond lances can be generated by any ability kill, consecration, knockout, parigrene shoulder charge, but their ease of use hasn't changed while their ease of generation has. Stand clone on strand hunter is ok but held back by mid grenades mid melee and mid super, but you put it on prismatic with smokes, scatter grenades and slow dodge to keep you from getting away plus a good super. None of these are a problem in a vacuum but they've acted as force multipliers to each other. Sorry for the 3 responses in rapid each had a different point to be made. Edit: in response to your other comment, yeah it's a prismatic problem, but that doesn't stop it from being a problem.
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Ahha made me laugh with the “Sorry for the 3 responses in rapid each had a different point to be made.” Strand clone has been a problem since it’s introduction in light fall. That was made apparent by Grenadier Jake very quickly. Hence the nerf before the nerf it got on prismatic. Again diamond lance has always been generated on a ability kill or 3 stasis weapon kills. I don’t see the issue if the melee was either a shoulder charge, shield throw or thunder clap as they are all ability kills. I agree with parigrene though. Again it’s not the diamond lance that’s busted it’s prismatic. I do want to still point out that diamond lance still has the longest step process to actually get a kill through an aspect than any other in the game.
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작성자: Zodleon 1/19/2025 10:59:12 PMIt's ease of generation, it's not that common to get a direct melee kill on stasis titan with an ability, as an example no ability on stasis titan is as easy to kill with as knockout period, knockout has easily been one of the strongest aspects in the game, and now it can make diamond lances, consecration, with 3 charges and the ability to wipe teams can also make it, and them perigrenes. They're all abilities sure, but they are all vastly more lethal with more uptime than shiver strike on stasis titan making diamond lances easy to generate and diamond lances are free wins. It's like taking a string ability that's basically a free w and pulling another free w out of it. I main cryostesia, and I'm under no illusion that once I get my frosty shot my next opponent has any hope of winning. Fundamentally the same gameplay loop as diamond lance. Like we both said it's definitely a prismatic titan problem, but it is still a problem. Now I don't care if they nerf diamond lance or go after how easy prismatic can make them, I'd settle for just starting with knockout but Dimond lance definitely wasn't balanced around being that easy to make. Edit: I think we largely agree here, we both think it's a prismatic titan problem, you just don't want it to effect behemoth titan which I can understand
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Cold snap kills are easier than knock as that needs me to do a lot of damage quickly and then I have 5 seconds to only get a charged melee which still can’t one tap a full HP guardian. Again this comes down to player to player and not the ability itself. Diamond lance is good always have been but needs 5 things to get a kill from it. 1. Either a ability kill or 3 stasis weapon kills, 2. Collection of D.L, 3. Using the D.L before it de-spawns from player (13 seconds), 4. Hit a target with lance, 5. Shatter melee. These all have to be done all while avoiding enemy players shooting and using abilities against the player with D.L I mained Cryo I got 5K kills on it with behemoth. I think that’s more buster than D.L for comparison and with the recent changes to the sand box other players should use the freeze verb more if they don’t like it. Diamond lance has been fine for years and shouldn’t be changed because of prismatic. The other classes do also have some OP set ups on prismatic that feel very easy to pull off being overly efficient. Knock out just got reverted from its previous nerf as it ruined Titan and that’s why Hi Tera got a player spike go 65% back in the final shape. Nerfing either of these will ruin at least two sub classes on Titan. The problem is that we don’t have enough stasis aspects on all classes to swap out this particular pain points on Titan or the other classes for other pain points on prismatic . This is bungie’s fault for not investing in either Stasis or strand enough during t e point of them being the new sub class leaving them with only essential parts that when changes ruin the whole thing.
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The important part: we both agree it's a prismatic titan problem, and they totally could go after prismatic titans ability to make them rather than after Diamond lance itself, for example stopping knockout or consecration from making them in pvp only. Prismatic titan throws off the balance of uptime/potency Also I'm a trials main so [u]any[/u] free kills are extremely impactful. Anyway we agree on the first part, and we're probably gonna just agree to disagree on the rest 🤷♂️. Is what it is. [quote]Cold snap kills are easier than knock as that needs me to do a lot of damage quickly and then I have 5 seconds to only get a charged melee which still can’t one tap a full HP guardian. Again this comes down to player to player and not the ability itself.[/quote] I disagree with this one, shotgun knockout has always been very strong and due to how hard rubberbanding the extra melee range can make it almost impossible to kill the titan, and snap freezes have been made very easy to avoid. [quote]Diamond lance is good always have been but needs 5 things to get a kill from it. 1. Either a ability kill or 3 stasis weapon kills, 2. Collection of D.L, 3. Using the D.L before it de-spawns from player (13 seconds), 4. Hit a target with lance, 5. Shatter melee. These all have to be done all while avoiding enemy players shooting and using abilities against the player with D.L[/quote] I think this is more steps than necessary for the sake of argument, especially since Diamond lance is usually generated and collected without any addition movement and the often thrown at the nearest source of fire or radar ping, assuming the player isn't bad all of those usually happen within 1-5 seconds with 13 seconds (which is a lot, kill clip only gives you 5) of free 1v1, more than enough time to get from one spawn to another, also you don't need to hit a player as the freeze radius is very generous. What this usually means is a guy gets one shot ability killed and a diamond lance is thrown as soon as it's picked up resulting in a free kill. [quote]I mained Cryo I got 5K kills on it with behemoth. I think that’s more buster[/quote] For the sake of argument it takes at least as many steps as diamond lance, 1. get a kill with the gun. 2. While under fire usually special long reload shot 3. Once loaded don't put the gun away or you lose it 4. Land charged shot directly 5. Shatter them somehow [quote]Diamond lance has been fine for years and shouldn’t be changed because of prismatic. The other classes do also have some OP set ups on prismatic that feel very easy to pull off being overly efficient.[/quote] My previous comment, "they're op so it's fine for this to be op" applies I don't see it as a good argument. If this was lightning surge, or pre nerf clone, I'd be having the same conversation about them, I main hunter and during the strand clone meta one of the like 5 posts I've ever made was saying that strand clone on prismatic was a bit much. [quote]This is bungie’s fault for not investing in either Stasis or strand enough during t e point of them being the new sub class leaving them with only essential parts that when changes ruin the whole thing.[/quote] This imo is kinda a non starter, everything in the game is bungies fault they made it, it isn't your or my fault prosmatic titan makes diamond lance a problem, but regardless of fault it does.
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At least TRY to act like you aren't crutching it 😂 [quote]How’s it cope it’s been the staple of behemoth for over 3 years. People just didn’t use it because of Void Titan and Wellock was the meta. [/quote] What's cope is you saying, "It's strong, not OP." Diamond lance is fine on its own. The interaction with pre nerf knockout that prismatic got for some reason is what makes it broken. Especially when combined with shiver strike and on a class that already has decent speed with skating. The fact that ss gets mostly refunded when used for movement is just wild. Dumbest buff ever. You completely missed the point of what I just said. Not surprising; you main titan. It doesn't matter what the meta was because prismatic was not out yet. Bringing up random irrelevant -blam!- doesn't help your case [quote] I never said it’s a “Tall order” I just put realistic game scenarios into my argument. Why are you pretending that it’s the be all and end all of PVP? It’s not “OP” because after 3 years it’s still not had a nerf. You’re just coping to justify being DOG S### at PvP.[/quote] You didn't put a realistic game scenario, you just raised a bunch of irrelevant nonsense. You said that you are frequently so far away that you can't use the lance before it runs out, which doesn't matter because the entire kit is literally built for dive so that'swhat you should be doing. You said that your teammates can pick up the lance instead, which doesn't matter because it's still a free kill. I'm not pretending it's the end of pvp. I've seen many many broken kits. This is most definitely one of them. Saying it isn't is massive cope. But we'll see; I promise it will get a nerf. I'm happy to 1v1. Anyone who crutches this handout class is automatically terrible. Please read and use your brain this time so I don't have to spell everything out for your stupid ahh again
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Hunter main crying about Titan. Noevah man I haven’t been using it as it’s not the only build I play as I like to play off meta to challenge myself. Unlike yourself running knuckle head radar and graviton lance. The I’m bad but everything is broken if I killed by it bot kit. It’s funny to see you get triggered so easily for being called Dog S###. Which you are Nowvah. You haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about with the Titan kit. Shiver strike got the buff so that when it whiffs it didn’t leave you with a 1:40 cool down for not working. Again proving you haven’t got a clue what you’re on about.
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작성자: Noevah 1/19/2025 7:56:18 PMNah this is wild. Are you being fr? [quote]Hunter main crying about Titan.[/quote] It's always the titans saying they have it so tough. Why is it that the smallest class population is responsible for 75% of the b!tching? Why is it that this class always has the most absurd -blam!- that people defend like it's not completely upset the meta? [quote]Noevah man I haven’t been using it as it’s not the only build I play as I like to play off meta to challenge myself.[/quote] That's cool guy. I don't really care. Defending this blatantly busted kit just screams crutch. Maybe you use something random in 6s. You are definitely crutching prism in any gamemode that matters. [quote]Unlike yourself running knuckle head radar and graviton lance. The I’m bad but everything is broken if I killed by it bot kit. [/quote] Buddy... At least do yourself a favor and look me up so you don't look completely lost 💀 I only use one type of weapon, and that ain't it. [quote]It’s funny to see you get triggered so easily for being called Dog S###. Which you are Nowvah.[/quote] You called me dogshit. I offered to 1v1. I'm not the guy ducking the 1 at this point. It's no big deal if I'm really bad at the game, right? At least spell my name right, ts is just disrespectful. [quote]You haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about with the Titan kit. Shiver strike got the buff so that when it whiffs it didn’t leave you with a 1:40 cool down for not working. Again proving you haven’t got a clue what you’re on about.[/quote] No, YOU don't have a clue what you're talking about. After the buff, ss has an insane uptime. See above for why that's a bad thing.
