[quote]Nah[/quote] Oh it will happen, Titan. Sooner or later.

Checked my stats I see.

[quote]Checked my stats I see.[/quote] Is that a problem? I like to know the perspective and capabilities of the Guardian I'm having an exchange with. But you have said equally as dismissive things to me in the past. So...

My stats are private. However I have nothing against the pvp crowd like yourself. So don't take what I say as an attack. Once pvp has a little bit of "balance" where smg/AR can compete. People want that gone for only a HCmeta. This is my opinion.

[quote]My stats are private. However I have nothing against the pvp crowd like yourself. So don't take what I say as an attack. [/quote] Indeed they are. But not so private that I couldn't determine what I needed to know. [quote]Once pvp has a little bit of "balance" where smg/AR can compete. People want that gone for only a HCmeta. This is my opinion. [/quote] Autos and Subs are more than competing, which I'm fine with if there are a few more subtle changes to Subs to nudge them where they belong. As far as your opinion, that hinges how you define and interpret balance. We are real close to what I think will be the best meta we will have ever had in Destiny.

What I'm getting at is when HC are the only choice an nothing can compete. We have had that meta a few times.

[quote]What I'm getting at is when HC arre the only choice an nothing can compete. We have had that meta a few times.[/quote] Indeed. We should avoid that being the case. But there's no Not Forgotten right now and 140s should rightfully be the baseline. Auto are an excellent alternative for people that can't aim or peek shoot. Not everyone can use a HC, but when it's an auto or sub meta it can be free and boring for all. Like Hardlight and Gnawing Hunger meta. Trash. But Autos are in a great place right now. Ammit even with 2 zoom taken off is still a long range laser that kills faster than any HC.

Not many pvp mains are even open to discuss pvp. Appreciate the debate.