To be fair the cheaters would go flawless pretty quick and the rest of us trying to get one flawless per character wouldn't be getting harassed

That's presuming the cheaters actually care about flawless. They don't. They cheat so that they can do paid carry runs. They will reset their cards before making it flawless, and continue to carry more and more people in the easy pool.

Easy fix for that tbh. Remove the ability to reset cards. If you delete your card have it sent to the abandoned quests kiosk and have them retain the play progression for that character. Plus I doubt cheaters that are in the game solely for profit care about if they run carries in the flawless pool. I've seen some of these guys fire Witherhoard like a machine gun. You can't out skill that

And then you have removed a basic feature. Now if you dont get flawless, you have to wait a whole entire week to try again. Thats not better, thats worse. And some cheaters are less blatant about it. Xims and the like, for example.

So then you have the card expire after 7 games if you haven't gone flawless, 8 with Mercy.

Then what happens is if youre trying to make it flawless, and lose, people are going to throw however many games it takes for your card to deprecate, thus ruining other peoples matches for the sake of their own card. Trust me on this one, if you ever think theres a "simple solution," and it hasnt been implemented, its probably because its not as simple as you think it is.

Bro I gotta say I am completely unbothered by the idea of players throwing in Trials to end a card. I feel like the try hards will probably choose to deny the enemy team a win opposed to throwing, but honestly even if they do throw that will only make going flawless easier which in turn will hurt cheaters running a carry service. It's not that deep

You get to say that until youre the person who has to do it, or otherwise the person who was still trying to win and has their card ruined because a teammate decides to do it. You're offering these suggestions because they would solve the problem, and yes, they would solve the problem, at the cost of adding new ones. Whether or not you acknowledge them as issues doesnt change that they will be issues.

Yeah if a teammate decides to do it you weren't running with a team and that was your first problem. Solo players do not and have never pulled their weight. Why would you expect to go Flawless with a random?

[quote]Yeah if a teammate decides to do it you weren't running with a team and that was your first problem. Solo players do not and have never pulled their weight. Why would you expect to go Flawless with a random?[/quote] That is a laughable take. I went flawless 3 times this weekend solo(including a 17 streak and guilding my flawless), and I more than carry my weight,especially in all the 3v1 and 2v1 I had to deal with. Solo players aren't bad, bad players are often solo it's not the same thing.

You're rebuttal is contradictory. The point I made is that most solo players don't pull their weight. You just said "no, bad players are just mostly solo". That's literally what I said.

Ive gone flawless 5 times with a duo and over double that running solo. Its not only possible, its honestly not difficult to do if youre good enough at the game to pull it off. You dont get to say that the way you play the game is the only one that matters. You're showing your rear.

If you're so good in a duo that the third doesn't matter then your argument is irrelevant, if not then you would say you got lucky with a competent random Edit: and even after TotN was cut I went hard in Comp as well. I got my Mountaintop, my Recluse, and my Luna's Howl by hitting fabled and my collective KD is 1.29. So i know what it's like to deal with randoms in a competitive setting. Not very reliable. Trials of Osiris is exactly the same just with one player less

The third still matters. Dude, youve played 20 matches of trials of osiris, and out of those youve only won 15%. Youve never been to the lighthouse and your stats arent exactly anything to write home about. Maybe its time to accept that youve got no idea what youre talking about.

Oh sure, I quit for 3 years after Bungie announced Sunsetting, but I played plenty of Trials of Osiris in D1 and I'm wearing Trials of the Nine Flawless Ornaments on my Warlock, and have the Trial of the Nine Flawless Ghost on him as well.

You only ever went flawless once in trials of the nine, and thats ignoring that it is a completely different gamemode from trials of osiris. The mode which youve still only played 20 games of. This reeks of someone who hasnt achieved the level of victory that they want screaming because they cant do it, while wanting to ruin the gamemode for everyone that can solely for their own sake. Simply just get better dude. If i can go flawless solo queueing relatively consistently, then whatever boogeyman youre blaming for holding you back either doesnt exist or isnt as much of a problem as you think it is. You are either lacking in skill, or lacking in motivation. If you want those wins, figure out which and fix it. If you dont, then stop making it everyone elses problem.

The Trials of the Nine Ornaments came out in Curse of Osiris and only for that season, the Knights Peace Shell dropped only in Warmind and was discontinued after that season. The loot itself is proof that I went Flawless more than once. As for content I've always been Raid focused, and I've only priorized PvP content when loot was either styling hard are PvE viable. Now I've only been back into Destiny for about 10 months after like I said I stepped out in sunsetting. The current not loot in Trials that is actually top in PvE so I haven't really been chasing it. I've only stepped into trials this season at a friend's request. The topic of this conversation is cheaters, and the majority of cheaters who exist only do so for money, to meet a bottom. The suggestions I've made would both consolidate cheaters into a Flawless pool and allow players who are playing earnestly a fair shot at going Flawless. That offers a better experience to players who are chasing a Flawless, and it reduces the potential customers a cheat company might otherwise have. If the only down side is that you have a better chance of obtaining a Flawless with a lot imo thats an acceptable trade off. That was always the case anyway. This is not a suggestion to remove the ability to solo bud

I don't know why you're lying when I've already proven I can check your stats. Trials report doesn't lie dude. One flawless in trials of the nine. And yes, the system would do what you say it would, but it would also cause A LOT of problems, that you keep either denying the existence of or downplaying the impact of. Beyond the fact that your stats don't reflect what you're saying, I cannot for the life of me believe that someone who ever played trials consistently would hold the opinions that you hold, because you are suggesting the removal of basic features that are basically necessary for the playlist to function, essentially for the convenience of players who probably wouldn't be able to make it to the lighthouse anyways.

I went Flawless twice and nothing of what I previously said was incorrect. You clearly didn't partake in TotN. Trials ornaments were around for Curse of Osiris only, and the Ghost Shell was around only for Warmind. It's impossible to have both if you only went Flawless one time you can look it up Also the drawbacks were recognized I'm just saying the system I proposed with some inconveniences is better than the current system which will players trying for their first Flawless of the week against cheaters and players who've already gone flawless on all of their characters that week. That makes no sense.

So you made it two times instead of one. Presuming i believe that the stat tracker is wrong and you arent lying. Thats not exactly a significant difference. 2 is double the amount, sure, but its also only one more. I did play trials of the nine, but not for long, because d2 year 1 was not a good time to be playing the game. I made it flawless once on the first week that totn was in the game. And no, that system is not better. Yes, its annoying to have to fight cheaters, but the solution is to get better security, not to break the gamemode over it. Yes, its annoying to fight players who are already flawless on game 1, (and id argue card based matchmaking needs to come back to remedy that, but thats a whole different discussion), but the solution is not to kill quality of life by removing peoples ability to reset their card. Again, you can say that makes more sense until you are the person who suffers the consequences of that decision. You only get to say its better because you dont have to deal with it. You know what the idea of removing resets remind me of? The one week where they decided to matchmake based on how many wins you got that week. What that meant is, if you won a game and then lost another, every subsequent game would be matchmade as if it was game 2 or higher. This basically made it impossible for even some of the top players in the game to go flawless unless they made it to the lighthouse on the first try without ever resetting. If that sounds good to you, then i would ask you to go into the playlist for more than 20 matches and try to get a lighthouse run first try. Removing forgiveness for losing doesnt help those people looking for a fighting chance. It just makes it harder for literally everyone, regardless of skill. And thats not what trials needs.