Bungie needs 5v5 for this game. Been saying it for ages. 90% of their maps work best with 5v5 it seems to me. 6v6 is fine on many but too much on a lot. 3v3 is just a terrible mode, and the fact they have stuck with this for so long leads me to believe they have ZERO accountability on their PvP staff. Beyond all that matchmaking is some of the worst in the entire gaming industry at this point. No joke. As a near 2KDA player this season, I have never seen so many lopsided games in all my life. I refuse to touch Trials or Comp because waste of life. 3v3 is such a terrible mode to be your main mode in ANYTHING. How the god have they stuck with this for how long again? Embarrassing.

[quote]This IB is a perfect example, they don't even do the bare minimum to see if an exotic will break the game, on top of that you have SBMM with a dwindling player base so you have to wait longer to get into a sweaty match and because no one on your skill level is close to you it's a lag fest where your guns don't even register 1/2 the time. It doesn't even matter which side of the SBMM/CBMM you fall on, they've taken such crappy care of the game that no one is happy. Why wouldn't we expect Marathon to be just about exactly like this?[/quote] After finding out a little more info about the supposed 'Marathon Reboot', I gotta say, I actually couldn't care less. I loved the [i]Original Marathon[/i]. I loved that Marathon Infinity came with all Bungie's Tools (forge, anvil etc.) and allowed us to completely build new PVP OR PVE levels, even to the extent of importing our own new textures, graphics, sound files and other assets. I especially loved this because I am a Professional Graphic Designer/Photographer, so all I had to do, to start creating levels was to watch all the tutorials and learn Bungie's creation tools; Forge and Anvil, complimented by my Design skills using Adobe Creative Suite. But this NEW Marathon is looking more and more like Bungie just [i][b]cannibalized [/b][/i] the Marathon IP they already owned to create some new crap with only a superficial and meaningless relationship to what Marathon actually was! I don't even see the frakkin point of calling this new thing Marathon!!! It's like when Bungie[i] "Brought Back Hawkmoon"[/i], but utterly failed to comprehend what was wonderful about the OG Hawkmoon! Instead of a gun with "Luck in the Chamber" that gave us 2 'lucky' bullets per clip (or 3 with catalyst), that did addition DMG and required no special conditions to activate, we instead got THE EXACT OPPOSITE. We got a irritating, fussy HC that ONLY gives its wielder full value of the exotic weapon perk on the last bullet of the magazine... AND ONLY IF EVERY PRECEDING SHOT WAS A HEADSHOT!!! I LOVED my D1 Hawkmoon! The new Hawkmoon is completely pointless. Without ANY single player campaign in the new Marathon? It will NOT BE MARATHON. Calling it MARATHON is just another Bungie Lie, intending to jump start a new game by riding on the coat tails of a once beloved game franchise. I don't think ANYONE at Bungie has the [i][b]slightest clue[/b][/i] wtf they are doing. [b][i]Gunship[/i][/b]

Destiny is the only Bungo game I care about. Considering how much they -blam!- on their premier IP, I won't ever bother with any new IPs of theirs in the future.

[quote]…..on top of that you have SBMM with a dwindling player base so you have to wait longer to get into a sweaty match.[/quote] And yet… there are the fan boys who claim the latest content drop broke player number records. Maybe they just don’t know what words mean…

Why would anyone be excited about a trend-chasing PvP extraction shooter anyway? Oh that's right, because it's Bungie and they are still able to somehow survive off of Halo 2 era reputation...

Marathon is going to basically be Destiny 2 vanilla. So Destiny players will hate it within the first week and non Destiny players will be bored with just another generic shooter within the first week. I see a big fail with it.

I totally agree, I would never purchase another Bungie product. They have no respect for their players time or money. They ignore their community, always take the path of least resistance, do not play test anything, reskin everything, and in general are just a bad developer. I do not know one person that would buy a PvP game from Bungie after playing their current PvP. Matchmaking is horrible in iron banner and has been for years and they do nothing and say nothing. Bungie is a joke of a company now. They keep delivering less, however have the nerve to charge more. There is no way anyone should purchase marathon.

You should not. Bungies irresponsibility is front & center. Not sure why anyone would consider buying it. Bungie treat’s it’s customers so poorly I often wonder how they have any customers.

EXACTLY. They simply do not fear the consequences at all and just abandoned the once awesomely fun pvp portion of D2 to work on an uncertain new ip. Thats why i REALLY hope their new game will flop. I really do. They deserve it tbh. And it also helps that the extraction shooter genre is absolutely not my cup of tea. Helps with the boycotting part from my side lol.

After what they’ve done to the crucible. I would never play Marathon.

If Bungie uses the same game engine and does seasons i am sure the game will not do well. I know I wont support another Bungie game if thats the case. They take to long to make any changes and leave things broken for far to long in PvP. 3-4 seasons of SMGs and 2 tap pulse rifles is stupid. Along with FOMO and seasonal content. I have zero reason to play.

To be fair, all the Bungie devs left making the game are terrible at the game and barely actually play. They balence things around 0.5kd controller players so.

I don't think anyone who loves this game will buy anything marathon. I will give the obvious chance of people trying it out. But to say Bungie has put distrust and distaste in our mouths over destiny would be an understatement. All the firepower in bungies utility belt has been pushed over to this big what if rather than something they know is good. It legit makes no sense. Especially considering all the push and pull it has taken to get to something remotely viable to be called even footing/good spot. Destiny (as I've said before) could've been the: End all is all Of fps games. But they treat it as nothing more than a glorified cash cow. I'll eat my words when they overhaul destiny in the future and make good on their promises they've given us since destiny 1 vidoc 1 but till then this is the milk crate I stand on.