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작성자: Rahl
5/8/2023 6:52:42 AM
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The Gaming Industry No Longer Cares about the Gaming Industry
Look at all of the top shooter and MMO games on the market. They don’t have to produce content, so long as they produce a way for the player to feel unique and have a certain identity. Look at Fortnite and all of the skins for characters and guns. Destiny Eververse with so many ornaments for guns and armor. Halo even tried it with aesthetics but failed. Warzone produces a massive way for players to personalize their in game identity. Even the top free MMORPG games make their bank off of aesthetics and subscriptions.
Personal creation of your character.. your in game identity.
Most people care more about themselves and about how they project themselves to a community and feeling “unique” in a large environment than the community as a whole.
They don’t have to create new content. They can just keep rewashing old content on every major MMO or MMORPG so long as they keep creating new aesthetics that give players more ways to make themselves feel “unique” or feel like they are truly themselves and giving ways to “stand out.” Because online.. people can have completely different personalities than they do when interacting with human beings face to face.
Real competitive gaming and creation based upon those ideals died with the age of streamers and popularity of online identity.
Bungie isn’t incompetent. They know they don’t have to make new or better content. They just have to keep enough of the right people interested in the idea of their character customization and in game identity and the the silver price won’t matter.
All FPS games have taken a dump over the past decade. Nothing is really new or good. There’s no real drive to create new or good games because it’s not needed to make millions. Anyway. I digress. Please feel free to disagree.
Edit: May 8 2023.
I never imagined upvotes or responses like this. To all who commented, thank you. To all who disagreed. Thank you for your arguments and pointing out where I was wrong in a rational way. I never imagined so much respect from the D2 community. Keep talking it out my homies. It’s good stuff.
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37 답변작성자: Sleep_Leveling 5/6/2023 5:09:33 PMThe gaming industry is now feeding on psychology. Some gamers live boring lives. So they seek acceptance and accomplishments in a fake world, a fake reality. And greedy companies will feed on this and milk it. I call it the lost generation. Games are supposed to be an outlet for fun entertainment, like watching movies or playing your favorite sport. But the game industry is using it now to prey on the weak and the lost. I still play videogames to escape. But I don’t play predatory games that milk customers for nothing. The game industry needs to be regulated if you want to see changes. But I don’t see this happening soon as the leaders of our society are being infiltrated by corruption and greed as well. Hence, I call it the lost generation. The only way to stop this is if all gamers walk away from this predatory practice in the industry. But this illness has already spread and infiltrated the weak. I doubt it if gamers can get out of this corrupt behavior now. Like I said, the lost generation.
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1 답변[quote] Halo even tried it with aesthetics but failed[/quote] Your entire argument is moot after this. It's not a gacha system, it's not part of a seasonal pass, and not part of a pay wall. MCC offers armor and skins for free only thing is you have to play to unlock. Overwatch 2, Resident Evil 4 remake, Valorant, Dead Island 2, Apex Legends season 17, Dead Space remake are all good games I'd argue. If you want character customization and identity go collect barbies. I do. I have all the star wars ones
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1 답변I understand the points you're making, but I respectfully disagree. I think that any lack of innovation that the gaming industry sees is mainly lack of creativity in an oversaturated market or deadlines being pressed too soon. I'm not here to defend mega corporations bc I hate them too, but I think the issue isn't some conspiracy behind in-game character expression. Respectfully, there are many more feasible reasons for game quality to be in decline right now. But I will agree, character customization has been increasing, and may play a [i]minor[/i] roll in game decline.
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The flip side to your point is that lots of people enjoy playing the same game for years and years. They don’t always want something different. DLC, seasonal content and micro transactions allow continued support for games that people want to continue playing long after launch. Individual identity can sometimes conflict with a sense of community, but there’s a balance to it. Maybe we’re more invested in communities that allow us some individuality? Seeing the community as unique individuals can help to make all of our characters (and the community as a whole) feel more alive. There’s a danger that a lack of individuality can fool us into thinking everyone is the same and wants the same thing. Do you end up with a better community or just the illusion of one? I don’t believe that there’s *no* drive to create new or good games, just that it’s incredibly expensive, incredibly difficult and comes with a high risk of failure. There’s definitely some truth in what you’re saying, but I think there’s another angle to look at it from.
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1 답변Gaming is my escapism I can only deal with the real world for so long Anyway you paint to broadly there’s lots of good developers still Like cd projekt red They made the Witcher 3 and yeah they screwed up with cyberpunk but they took responsibility and worked their fingers off fixing it And now it’s a great game There’s also respawn entertainment another good studio that made titanfall 2 So there’s still good devs out there Also elden ring devs And many others just have to look harder for good games but they are out there
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To your point: there’s an interview in Eurogamer this week with David Gaider (former Bioware writer on Dragon Age series) where he discusses how writers came to be resented there because they got in the way of making the game i.e. video games didn’t really need stories or even good characters. Assume this trend started after the EA takeover.
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Are we stating the obvious that has been going on since atleast 2014 now? Oh boy, are people living under a rock? It's been almost 10 years with absurd skin markets for video games. You can't change or stop that anymore, it's a money printing system implemented into almost every single live service game and even some single player games. Not saying i support it in any way, just saying that this is nothing new at all. The quality of games and content has dipped far below the insulting point these days. Best is to not waste money on new games/content anymore and buy it a year+ after release to speak with your wallet imo.
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작성자: Apalach1cola 5/7/2023 7:21:00 PMInteresting take. I agree the shooter genre is rather stale. I’ve bought cosmetic items and season passes (which include cosmetic items) in several games. I don’t particularly agree that my purchases were about projecting a personality- certainly not in Destiny or Overwatch or COD, games I currently play. Most of my online gaming has been in various RP groups, where projecting a unique and different personality in game is crucial, and concocting that persona out of game is half the fun. My characters over the years are like siblings. It’s fun to roll out as an obese space gangster, or an aspiring -blam!- star in Final Fantasy, a religious fundamentalist or a lesbian treasure hunter with self esteem issues. These are not things I do in Destiny. I’m not really looking to project any sort of identity in this game. Sometimes I just want a hat that’s on fire or gloves that glow.
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2 답변Well this is a trap for developers; think about WoW , how many tried to copy it? Is there time to play anything else? How many devs failed with WoW copies? Is there space for a Destiny competitor? Warframe maybe… so many try and fail, Fortnite? Maybe APEX, so I hope we will still have single player games to enjoy, or new experiences, problem is the FOMO pushes players to engage all the time, me? I only do with Destiny, and not always… I passed of entire seasons and expansions when the game Didnt made me happy.
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3 답변Bungie, the company so bad they can't even get lazy and greedy right. (Maybe...) People have been asking for YEARS to get a character editor, which seems like a big opportunity to sell tacky in-game cosmetics (with a few other changes of course, because no one actually sees our characters that often...), and still nothing from Bungie. I mean, they are already selling you the cosmetics people do see, and even throwing in the "best dressed" commendation to "push" people into it, but they COULD work actual character customization into the game. Not that I want it, just an observation... Custom shaders is another. I mean, how many people would drop 300-500 Silver for a "custom" shader?
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5 답변작성자: TheShadow 5/7/2023 3:45:00 PM[quote]Bungie isn’t incompetent.[/quote] I agree with everything you said but this^ They are most definitely incompetent when it comes to designing a game, the work they produce and their work ethic proves that and you can see how bad things actually are throughout the entire game, because it's in plain sight to where they can't hide it, especially since LF and this season released. The only reason Destiny even exists is because of Activision and the only reason it survived one of the biggest disasters in game history called D2 base game was also because of Activision which provided the other studios that literally saved their... D2 started off just being a cosmetics game, the dumbest thing to ever happen to Destiny. This business literally stripped the game to barebone so they could make a profit off selling stupid cosmetics, the worst decision I have ever seen a business make up until 343 released Halo Infinite that destroyed the game, and any faith the play base had for them designing Halo, just so they could sell stupid cosmetic. 2 things happened with Destiny that ruined the game because of this business. 1, They literally threw everything that was good about Destiny and what they could have learned from it out the window when designing D2 because of their greed. It's supposed to be a looter shooter. Instead, we got "Hey guys, we designed a game where you can play like you are Barbie and Ken dolls to play dress up" 🤦♂️ 2, Because of their greed wanting to shove the shop in the players face as they still are to this very day to sell cosmetics instead of designing an actual game, the stupid decisions they made for the game caused them to waste Activision's time and money, [b](and most importantly, our time and money that is still the same issue they have cased this very day because of their incompetence.)[/b] They had to spend the next few years working with the other studios that saved this game wasting a hell of a lot of time and resources doing an overhaul for the crap they designed. What they should have been doing was taking that time to try to move the game forward from where ROI left off and improve things from there. Nope, we still got a stupid cosmetic game because this business doesn't know how to design a game.
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20 답변It'll collapse eventually like in the early 80's. The entire industry is plagued with greed, which is the essence of capitalism. Eventually it'll implode and reset. What that looks like is uncharted AF.
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11 답변작성자: Mara Sovereign 5/7/2023 12:58:58 AMThey care enough to create the content equivalent of a hamster wheel to keep hamsters hamstering. All while fronting about mental health concerns, they instead feed pathology and pathos
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작성자: max 5/7/2023 8:16:12 AMDevs have had it too easy, it used to be that you work your -blam!- off to build a reputation, mess up once and you lose everything, look at Atari, they were a legend, a true legend, and the second they make something exploiting the consumers, we turn brutal and their sales goes to the sewer, now there's no consequences, some incompetent obese guy show up 3 times a week, resell copy pasted content and somehow still failed at that, raise full dlc price by 10 bucks every year, and the studio can just get away with it, it's honestly vomiting consider for absolute most industries in the private sector, people have it rougher these days while the kids in pajamas can just not give a -blam!- and still be massively overpaid. Core conflict is that video games transformed from a hobby to an addiction, so instead of trying to entertain the players, devs hook you up with mechanics design to maximize your online time, that changes people, spend enough time on forum you will see that conversation with a bdf is quite similar to that with a junkie, they don't seems to see reasons, whatever idea you have they just response will "ahaha, see you next season" and declare victory for their favourite video game studio. I'm just really glad that AI will soon take the jobs from these incompetent scammers
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[quote]Look at all of the top shooter and MMO games on the market. They don’t have to produce content, so long as they produce a way for the player to feel unique and have a certain identity. Look at Fortnite and all of the skins for characters and guns. Destiny Eververse with so many ornaments for guns and armor. Halo even tried it with aesthetics but failed. Warzone produces a massive way for players to personalize their in game identity. Even the top free MMORPG games make their bank off of aesthetics and subscriptions. Personal creation of your character.. your in game identity. Most people care more about themselves and about how they project themselves to a community and feeling “unique” in a large environment than the community as a whole. They don’t have to create new content. They can just keep rewashing old content on every major MMO or MMORPG so long as they keep creating new aesthetics that give players more ways to make themselves feel “unique” or feel like they are truly themselves and giving ways to “stand out.” Because online.. people can have completely different personalities than they do when interacting with human beings face to face. Real competitive gaming and creation based upon those ideals died with the age of streamers and popularity of online identity. Bungie isn’t incompetent. They know they don’t have to make new or better content. They just have to keep enough of the right people interested in the idea of their character customization and in game identity and the the silver price won’t matter. All FPS games have taken a dump over the past decade. Nothing is really new or good. There’s no real drive to create new or good games because it’s not needed to make millions. Anyway. I digress. Please feel free to disagree.[/quote] Thank you, yours is one of the very few posts i found interesting on this forum. And i 100% agree.
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Yep, this basically was the reaction to Overwatch 2 when it went F2P. It was hilarious to see most of the players foaming at the mouth because they had to spend money to get some skins unlocked and most skins weren't easily earnable in game anymore. Many of the esports figures commented on twitter "Why are you so worried about skins in an FPS game where you can't even see yourself? Do you not play due to the competitive shooter aspect?" and they were all raked over the coals on reddit. All the devs do in OW2 now is create new cosmetics each season to try to get people to buy the battle pass and spend coins in the shop. They don't care about the game's balance or if certain heroes are broken for weeks/months, or that the matchmaking is the worst it's ever been in the history of the franchise.
