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4/1/2023 6:05:36 PM
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I forgot to mention, the Gardner spoke with Clovis. We have the transcript of it, came out in BL.
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/records/clovis-brays-logbook-missing-pages
Scroll down about half way, look for the third death vision.
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[quote]That's why I was asking lol youre so toxic dude! why are you going to everything I post and commenting creeper?[/quote] Im literally surfing the lore pages and was referring to the person you replied to. But okay be toxic and accusatory, im allowed to replied to whoever i feel and whatever topic i feel I didn’t even know who you are.
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[quote]Without proving any claims that I’m wrong besides saying so and intentionally misquoting me to argue.[/quote] I dont misquote you because I literally just press “quote” so thats a cool lie. Also i have stated the lore to you multiple times you just say its wrong and that im interpreting it wrong when im not im just stating it to you. You believe you need to interpret lore when you dont, that’s something you never do with lore
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You said i had said Clovis spoke to the Winnower when the quote you cited showed me saying Gardner. You interpreted Unveiling to be metaphorical in sections you disagree with and literal in the ones you do agree with. You’re being absurd lol
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[quote]You said i had said Clovis spoke to the Winnower when the quote you cited showed me saying Gardner. You interpreted Unveiling to be metaphorical in sections you disagree with and literal in the ones you do agree with. You’re being absurd lol[/quote] I said that Clovis Spoke to the Witness not the Gardner, we know this because Elsie literally said in BL in the glassway he was tricked into making the Vex Portal by the darkness which spoke to him and we learn in Post Witch Queen that all refrence to the Deep/Voice in the Darkness/What we called the Darkness was all the witness. He was literally manipulated by the Witness to making that portal but you don’t understand that, you claim its the Gardner when its well known it was the Witness
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Except the third vision scene doesn’t cite anything about Vex or a portal. It’s the Exobody and the eel. So it’s assumptive. We don’t know about the prior death visions or any others. As nothing in the third vision was about those two things, you’re assuming they are related. Post WQ we learned the Voice in the Darkness was the Witness. Nothing about the Deep was in there. You just added that.
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I’m not watching the video. Pull it up and cite the pages. You’re not proving anything. Who said the Witness is the only one able to commune through the deep? Weird, didn’t you say the Winnower is the primordial being behind the Darkness…but now it can’t talk through its own power? Makes perfect sense.
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[quote]I’m not watching the video. Pull it up and cite the pages. You’re not proving anything. Who said the Witness is the only one able to commune through the deep? Weird, didn’t you say the Winnower is the primordial being behind the Darkness…but now it can’t talk through its own power? Makes perfect sense.[/quote] Wow i cite the proof and they are too lazy to watch what a suprise. I dont have time to spend with someone who cant read
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[quote]You said i had said Clovis spoke to the Winnower when the quote you cited showed me saying Gardner. You interpreted Unveiling to be metaphorical in sections you disagree with and literal in the ones you do agree with. You’re being absurd lol[/quote] Um what You said gardener https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/262664720/0/0/1 Thats your post directly and it says Gardner so you are just lying
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작성자: Gilgamesh 4/5/2023 2:52:03 AM[quote]You told the other person I said Clovis spoke with the Winnower. That’s the quote I cited champ.[/quote] What other person do you understand quotes, i quoted you saying that Clovis Spoke to the gardner when he didn’t he spoke to the witness I see the thing you keep quoting but it seems you dont understand what you are talking about
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The wolf comes from the Dreams of Alpha Lupi, the D1 grimoire card set that was the Travelers own thoughts. Star eyed, stars are a symbol of the Light. Mysterious mother figure who tries to guide species to be better, doesn’t interfere, talks about species keep growing evil in her garden. Speaks to the dead, whereas clarity only speaks to the living. A random vision? Doesn’t explain why she keeps reaching out to him, giving him clues to make great wonders. Yet not giving him enough to dissuade him from acting on his own impulses. What other entity went around the cosmos uplifting civilizations? But didn’t interfere with their use and abuse of gifts? There’s literally only one character in all the lore who did all that. The Traveler. But the Witness didn’t go into it, did it? It went through a portal connected to it. To somewhere else, after his prey. Who else could it be?
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[quote]The wolf comes from the Dreams of Alpha Lupi, the D1 grimoire card set that was the Travelers own thoughts. Star eyed, stars are a symbol of the Light. Mysterious mother figure who tries to guide species to be better, doesn’t interfere, talks about species keep growing evil in her garden. Speaks to the dead, whereas clarity only speaks to the living. A random vision? Doesn’t explain why she keeps reaching out to him, giving him clues to make great wonders. Yet not giving him enough to dissuade him from acting on his own impulses. What other entity went around the cosmos uplifting civilizations? But didn’t interfere with their use and abuse of gifts? There’s literally only one character in all the lore who did all that. The Traveler. But the Witness didn’t go into it, did it? It went through a portal connected to it. To somewhere else, after his prey. Who else could it be?[/quote] The traveler is not the Gardner, you have a fundamental flaw that can not see the Traveler/Witness are almost Avatars for these primordial forces. They act “for” them the Gardner and Winnower have never spoke to anyone. And its made so clear over and over in the lore the Witness deceived Clovis Bray as it did the Hive to allow a Vex Invasion
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[quote]I forgot to mention, the Gardner spoke with Clovis. We have the transcript of it, came out in BL. https://www.ishtar-collective.net/records/clovis-brays-logbook-missing-pages Scroll down about half way, look for the third death vision.[/quote] More misinformation from the same person its not the Winnower its The Witness, Elsie literally says ingame that he spoke with the voice in the darkness
