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4/12/2022 10:23:59 AM
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Interesting but wrong, The Witness is giving us these powers, it does not see us has an adversary, infact in Witch Queen we were the Witnesses only hope of stopping the Traveler from escaping, Megamind gave us the deepsight for that purpose You have to realize Bungie no longer has a grand plan , they are making this stuff up has they go along, when the unveiling lore was written, the witness didn't exist, (in Season Of The lost he was just called "The Entity")but they felt the darkness needed a face, it was actually the witness we talked to at the end of shadowkeep , also somewhere between splicer and lost Bungie decided the Taken wasn't a Hive creation but a tool of the darkness, also lumped the Scorn in because why not, even though in Forsaken they answered to Uldren and Fikrul only , now suddenly there are billions of them serving the witness I think Bungie has lost the plot, and are overthinking themselves, trying to be clever they are introducing moral delimmas into the story at the cost of continuity, for 7 years we served the Traveler and it's will, now suddenly the Traveler is stupid and doesn't know what's best for itself, and we are helping the darkness while simultaneously trying to stop it essentially becoming double agents, who will go along with anything, but I am getting off-topic The Witness is Bungies evolution of The Winnower, The Unveling lore is directed at the Gardner alone, it doesn't see us has a threat but a potential weapon , but first it has to discredit the Traveler at all costs in our minds , and both the darkness and light are trying to win the flower game
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  • The Witness didn’t replace the Winnower. They have never had a grand plan, they’ve been using the old storyline frame and fitting the new narrative around it. That’s why base D2s ending cutscene, the Travelers Vision, showed the rest of the Dark and Light Saga before they had reworked the Darkness. They had a rough plan, base D2 up to Forsaken they spent fleshing it out and setting it up. SK was the start of their “new” storyline, everything from then is part of it. The Traveler always lets back stuff go down. The sole exception is the Golden Age Collapse, where it tried fighting back. There is actually lore explaining this somewhat, words from the Gardner itself.

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  • 작성자: Frenchtoasted17 4/12/2022 2:57:52 PM
    [quote]Interesting but wrong, The Witness is giving us these powers, it does not see us has an adversary, infact in Witch Queen we were the Witnesses only hope of stopping the Traveler from escaping, Megamind gave us the deepsight for that purpose You have to realize Bungie no longer has a grand plan , they are making this stuff up has they go along, when the unveiling lore was written, the witness didn't exist, (in Season Of The lost he was just called "The Entity")but they felt the darkness needed a face, it was actually the witness we talked to at the end of shadowkeep , also somewhere between splicer and lost Bungie decided the Taken wasn't a Hive creation but a tool of the darkness, also lumped the Scorn in because why not, even though in Forsaken they answered to Uldren and Fikrul only , now suddenly there are billions of them serving the witness I think Bungie has lost the plot, and are overthinking themselves, trying to be clever they are introducing moral delimmas into the story at the cost of continuity, for 7 years we served the Traveler and it's will, now suddenly the Traveler is stupid and doesn't know what's best for itself, and we are helping the darkness while simultaneously trying to stop it essentially becoming double agents, who will go along with anything, but I am getting off-topic The Witness is Bungies evolution of The Winnower, The Unveling lore is directed at the Gardner alone, it doesn't see us has a threat but a potential weapon , but first it has to discredit the Traveler at all costs in our minds , and both the darkness and light are trying to win the flower game[/quote] The witness has been in the game since at least taken king. If I recall correctly, the witness (although it wasn't known as the witness at the time) was the entity oryx communed with after killing akka and was granted the power to take. The taken power was never an original hive power, it was and still is a power directly linked to the darkness. At the time this wasn't explicitly spelled out bc Bungie didn't want to show their hand that early, but the clues were there (taken power is black and hive magic is green). Also the idea that the traveler isn't our end all be all savior has been in the game since destiny 1 vanilla. There was a hunter cloak you could get from the speaker that had the logo of a heretical city faction that had the belief that the traveler lured the darkness into sol. There have also been hints in the lore since at least the almighty season that the traveler tried to flee during the collapse and was only prevented from doing so by Rasputin opening fire on it. There's never been a "traveler's will" that we have served. We have protected it bc it was the source of our power. The speaker even directly says that he spoke for the traveler but that it didn't speak to him. The idea that we serve the traveler is an archaic belief propagated by the vanguard, when in reality our protection of the traveler is motivated by self preservation. Honestly if we wanted what was best for the traveler we would've let savathun seal it in her throne world bc it would be safe from the witness there, but obviously we couldnt do that bc it would leave humanity unguarded. Shadowkeep also introduced us to the witness in it's final cutscene. It's all but confirmed that the apparition of our guardian was the witness. It's mannerisms and the use of "we" when referring to itself supports this. The witness is not a new concept that Bungie just "made up as they went," the only thing that's new is the name and it's face reveal. Your point about the scorn may be valid, I agree it seems a little strange that they turned to serve the witness with no explanation. The scorn served uldren (dead) and the fanatic (whereabouts unknown). They've been serving the witness since the glykon, and their acquisition of stasis in lost reinforces this. The reason for this isn't clear, but I'm willing to give Bungie the benefit of the doubt that there is a reason that they aren't revealing yet. Clues have begun to surface about this, the bosses in the preservation mission are known as fanatics chosen (or something close enough to that). This is just speculation, but I think the fanatic has shifted to serve the witness bc dark ether is what gives the scorn life. The fanatic served uldren bc he gave the fanatic life, but now that he's gone (and reborn as a guardian, I really hope we see an interaction between crow and fanatic but that's a different topic entirely) it would make sense that the next viable master would be the master over darkness. That's just spinfoil at this point but it makes sense. People love to -blam!- on Bungie for what they perceive as poor storytelling, but I think what lots of people forget is that destiny is an evolving story that progresses in real time. Not all the mysteries are going to be revealed at the start bc otherwise the ongoing story wouldn't be as interesting. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but I think destiny is more enjoyable when approached with an open mind.

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  • 작성자: JayFryGuy2015 4/12/2022 11:57:30 AM
    “The Witness sees you. Grants you opportunity, and yet you squander it!” - Rhulk, Disciple of the Witness Raid Prophecy Wall “Hive and Scorn love the Darkness and worship The Witness. The Pyramid Fleet will enter Earth and stop the Guardians. The Witness will commune with the Traveler and drink the Light. The Witness will kill (REDACTED).

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