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I'm guessing you didn't fully read my post since this a lore reference which would answer the OPs question. The lore with Shin and his mentors ghost is basically the same scenario as the lore I presented. A guardian died and their ghost chose to leave them and seek a new guardian
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Ferus Lux1v1 me in Rift then. - 오래됨
Shin wasn't revived or linked to Jaren Wards Ghost. Ghosts can't revive and link to a second Guardian. No lore examples of such a thing ever happening. Guardians know who their Guardian is on the inside the moment they were born. -
It's speculated that Shin was the infant guardian that was resurrected by a ghost. Then immediately after resurrecting the baby, it led the pursuing fallen off and gave its life to save the refugees. Meaning that Shin was technically a guardian, lost his ghost like Osiris, then inherent Wards ghost after his death by Yor. But to clarify, the general rule for ghosts seems to be 1 ghost to 1 guardian. However they can leave their guardian and choose a new one, or if the original ghost dies a new ghost without a guardian can choose that guardian.
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It's speculated that Shin was the infant guardian that was resurrected by a ghost. Then immediately after resurrecting the baby, it led the pursuing fallen off and gave its life to save the refugees. Meaning that Shin was technically a guardian, lost his ghost like Osiris, then inherent Wards ghost after his death by Yor. But to clarify, the general rule for ghosts seems to be 1 ghost to 1 guardian. However they can leave their guardian and choose a new one, or if the original ghost dies a new ghost without a guardian can choose that guardian.
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작성자: Ferus Lux 4/6/2022 7:14:25 PM
Ferus Lux1v1 me in Rift then. - 오래됨
Yes but Jarens Ghost couldn't heal or revive him. No lore states otherwise and there are no other examples of such happening. The references are little more than misconception as the Ghosts don't even know each other can dematerialize as mentioned in Season of the Lost. Ghosts don't really understand themselves, Lightbearers were still very "new" to the world and Sagira was just flapping her gums so to speak lol -
Because Jarrens ghost could resurrected him it abandoned him. There is lore about other ghosts that were in similar situations and end up abandoned their guardian. It's up to them to decide if they want a new host or if they will choose to remain single. We saw this on the Glykon, in some of the drifters lore, and in some red war Era lore. Also with Yors ghost and some of Yor's followers who disagreed with their ghosts.
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Ferus Lux1v1 me in Rift then. - 오래됨
No Jaren Wards ghost couldn't and there's no mention of this happening. A Ghost abandoning their Guardian does not mean they can revive a new one whatsoever. That kind of connection can't be made. The Glykon incident was literally just Katabasis Ghost being discouraged and wanting himself and his Guardian to die. Fynch would've found a new Guardian by now and it very clearly tied to him and still holding out hope that he can sway Ken to the Cities cause. -
Before the Almighty was destroyed there was a guardian that got trapped in some sort of psion stasis trap. His ghost tried for months to free him and resurrect him but couldn't. Eventually it gave up and abandoned him. There is no lore SPECIFICALLY saying ghosts can't resurrect/choose multiple guardians, but there's also no lore saying specifically they can either. Remember half of Destiny's lore is intentionally left open to speculation. But given there is more lore suggesting a ghost can change their mind and choose different guardians, that's most likely the answer. In D1 TTK, there is a scanable were our ghosts talks about how they originally chose a colonists in a stasis pod, but that individual declined. So our ghost left them and moved on to us. Finch likely hasn't moved on because he has ptsd. Remember he has been searching for decades or longer and his first choice ended up being a hive that wanted to kill humans.
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Ferus Lux1v1 me in Rift then. - 오래됨
There is a retcon since then where Ghost has said that every Ghost is born knowing they have to find their Guardian and that they only know what they look like on the inside. This is further mentioned back in Season of the Lost when Petra scrutinized Glint for choosing Uldren, asking if he couldn't have chosen differently and Glint, having looked for a Guardian for a long time, said nope and that he knew Uldren was the one. This is central to the lore that a bond between a Ghost and Guardian is literally sacred. It's a pact. Ghosts connect themselves to a Guardians spark. If they could choose anyone they wouldn't search for so long. They are literally [b]Destined[/b] to find [b]their[/b] Guardian. Don't know how else to put it to ya. -
You just contradicted yourself. Since earlier you claimed Sagira was making up stuff since not even the ghosts know about themselves or their nature. So by that logic, glint doesn't know if he could have chosen a different guardian. Also since the lore I mentioned from TTK, is much older than anything we've talked about, you can argue it is source lore and the stuff your talking about is retconned. You also have to consider Destiny lore is written by many different writers that each has a different view on the lore and were they think it's going. Look at lore about killing ghosts, in D1 & D2 vanilla anything could kill a ghost. Post Forsaken, ghosts could only be killed by darkness infused objects like thorn daggers. Then later it was changed so that ghosts could also be killed by anything in a darkness zones.
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Ferus Lux1v1 me in Rift then. - 오래됨
I did not contradict myself. Ghosts literally can't revive anyone else. They are programmed and born knowing who their Guardian is. This has nothing to do with phasing. Does an animal need to be taught to reproduce, eat, or follow other instincts? Ghosts follow functions. They don't have to understand them. Now, again, there are no lore examples of Ghosts healing or reviving other Guardians after they find theirs and our Ghost couldn't heal Cayde so what does that tell you? Perceived implications of otherwise are not sufficient when there are no actual examples. Sorry Guardian. -
At the same time there is ambiguity to their programing. They only know have instinct on what to do but not full knowledge of what they can do. So to say that we 100% know they are only limited to 1 guardian is dumb. Especially when there are cases like Ward and Shin. Ward died, and by your logic, his ghost should have remained widowed. However he followed Yors instructions and transferred to Shin. As stated earlier, there is no lore expressly saying ghosts are tied to 1 guardian forever, just like there is no lore clearly saying ghosts can choose different guardians. Again this comes back to who's writing the lore and their interpretation of past lore.
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Ferus Lux1v1 me in Rift then. - 오래됨
The Jaren Ward argument isn't valid. Jarens ghost helped look after Shin. He loved him. He had nothing else to do and wanted to honor Jarens legacy by going with Shin. Ghost saying he couldn't heal cayde is enough to conclude that Ghosts cannot interact with other Guardians the way they can with their own. There are literally networks of Ghosts who lost their Guardians. No Ghost has ever been reported as reviving and linking to a new Guardian. If Ghosts could do so they would have already and its been almost a thousand years since Ghosts were born. I think a Ghost would've came forward with a new Guardian after they lost theirs to paracausal/other means by now. -
I think that's the problem, you keep making the assumption that I am saying that 1 guardians ghost can heal or resurrect another guardian. So I will clarify; To be clear, I am NOT saying 1 guardians ghost can heal or resurrect another guardian. (Although Drifter seem to think they could but don't cause their AHoles) What I am saying is that a ghost can choose to leave their guardian and transfer to another would be guardian. So in the example of Cayde 6, our ghost could not heal or resurrect Cayde. However, if our ghost decided to leave us and transfer to Cayde and become his new ghost. Then our ghost could technically do that as we have seen this in multiple lore entries which I have shared with you. (Think hermit crab + shell. You cannot have 2 hermit crabs in 1 shell, however a hermit crab can transfer from their old shell to a new shell.)
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Ferus Lux1v1 me in Rift then. - 오래됨
Ghosts cannot link OR revive just ANY Guardian. There's a reason they search for A PARTICULAR Guardian. There are many Ghosts who've lost their Guardians and have not done what you're suggesting. When you look at these facts it puts the nail in the coffin. -
Not every ghost is the same, they are all wildly different, as seen by the hive ghost defectors. So some ghost seek their one and only, while others are fine with swapping partners. Just like people. Which based on lore, ghost are made from dead people which makes sense. But again if it was only 1 person per guardian, then our ghost would have been single forever since his original pick declined. Also again there is all the other lore that I've mentioned which proves me right
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Except all the lore pieces I've quoted. Let's be honest I've provided a much better case and more supportive evidence than you. All you've done is just say your wrong, your wrong, your wrong. But you've failed to really provide evidence supporting you and the very little evidence you provided was full of holes or contradicted previous statements you made.
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Ferus Lux1v1 me in Rift then. - 오래됨
[quote]Except all the lore pieces I've quoted. Let's be honest I've provided a much better case and more supportive evidence than you. All you've done is just say your wrong, your wrong, your wrong. But you've failed to really provide evidence supporting you and the very little evidence you provided was full of holes or contradicted previous statements you made.[/quote] You see this is where things actually start to look really sad and concerning. Debating isn't some game that is won by how passionately and stubbornly you can ignore facts. Debates are won by actual facts. You only spout conjecture. You are making the claims that: Ghost can link to new Guardians. --False and has never been done before. Guardians search a lifetime for their designated Guardian. Ghosts are made from dead humans --Nowhere has this been said or confirmed. It IS however said and confirmed that Ghost were birthed by the Traveler, made from its light which then fashioned shells for themselves. Ghosts can heal other Guardians if not linked to one already --Unproven. Incapable of provided examples. I don't have to put energy into denying you. The facts speak for themselves. You didn't even know that Ghosts can dream and you call into question my knowledge? Give it a rest. Please. This is just obnoxious at this point and I'm trying to be nice about it. -
There is 1 or 2 older lore pieces, I think from around forsaken, which suggests that ghosts we once humans that died. I want to say the lore piece was the perspective of ghost who was having vague memories from a past life but they couldn't decide if it was real or not.
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Ferus Lux1v1 me in Rift then. - 오래됨
That was a dream. Of ONE Ghost. The Ghosts are established to be fragments of the Traveler. No more Ghosts are being made and they were never made from human souls. If you go to bed tonight and have a dream that you were an Ox that doesn't mean you're an Ox. -
1st off we don't know that more ghosts aren't being made or if there is a limited number This is mentioned in lore and in game. 2nd why would a ghost be dreaming, they don't sleep and are basically flying computers. My suggestion is double down on lore my dude, cause your clearly lacking in knowledge and trying to argue with someone well versed.
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Ferus Lux1v1 me in Rift then. - 오래됨
[quote]1st off we don't know that more ghosts aren't being made or if there is a limited number This is mentioned in lore and in game. 2nd why would a ghost be dreaming, they don't sleep and are basically flying computers. My suggestion is double down on lore my dude, cause your clearly lacking in knowledge and trying to argue with someone well versed.[/quote] 1. Incorrect. This is already confirmed. 2. Our Ghost dreamt while Sagira took over his shell. Good that you switch theories and acknowledge them as flying computers and not made from humans though but unfortunately you're wrong about this too. They are built of [b]Light[/b] AND machinery. They are sentient beings with emotions and feelings. Computers have neither. 3. Your knowledge on Destiny lore is warped and nauseating.