So after the cutscene where Saladin apparently tells Crow the story we're unlocking in the "Acts of Mercy" lore entries, as I much as I love that Saladin's getting more screen time I wanted to reach into my monitor and slap him.
Quick summary of the key points: Saladin catches a thief, who's just a kid who has been coerced into her role as a thief. It should be obvious this gang of thieves didn't ask if she wanted to.
Saladin believes he was "merciful" and that not killing a child who was coerced into criminal acts by adults is some massive and earth-shaking exception to the law of the day, which executed all thieves.
Other than massacring that specific band of jerks, his only actions towards this kid were 1) not killing her on the spot, and 2) giving her a shiny necklace. And nothing else. He walks away and forgets about her, and the village involved, for years, by his own admission. Patting himself on the back about how "merciful" he was.
But he wasn't.
It isn't mercy to give a defenseless kid a shiny trinket that really probably would've gotten her killed by the first person who took a liking to it. If you intervene, if you get involved in something, you accept the responsibility for it. You spared this kid's life but left her alone in this lawless forest (with something that could make her an even bigger target....), no follow-up at all? Not making any effort at all to see her to a secure place, a safe place? Or at the very least, spend ten minutes talking to her and the village she was robbing? Explain what was really going on, ask them to take her in maybe? He did a half-arsed job - at best - and left a jaded, traumatized kid (not to mention a battered, belagured village) to their own devices. He came in, swung his axe around, and walked away. That's not being a "Lord." That's not standing for Order. That's just venting your anger on @$$h0l3s. Good for you. Meanwhile the people you leave behind still have to live their lives when you're gone.
Mercy is not sparing the life of a child - that's just *sanity*. True mercy, real compassion and not just some abstract ideal, means taking responsibility for the results of that action and seeing it through. Seeing to the child's care. Seeing to the village's defenses. Making a real difference in people's lives.... not storming in and showing off how awesome you are then vanishing. But no, your axe is as far as you think your responsibility goes, eh?
"Mercy to an enemy" did not create the monster that grew up to be the next local terror.
Saladin's pride did. His arrogance. That he'd "solved" anything, when he'd barely scratched the surface of it. But he thinks his show of might is enough to change the world.
I would've hoped that the intervening centuries would've brought the guy some insight into that incident. But it seems he 's still blaming "the enemy," and the concept of mercy - when there's no one to blame but himself.
He failed that child, and the village that withered and died. And all he has to offer to make up for it is more judgement, more death.
Perhaps one day the enormity of what he'd done, the full weight of it, will come crashing down on his mind. Perhaps he'll go half mad when it does. Perhaps that would be for the best. Sometimes old iron needs to be smelted and reforged.
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also,
YES LUCENT HIVE RISEN BY THE TRAVELLER GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLIES MAN GET OVER IT ALREADY
Who in Bungie decided to troll us with every voice line in the Tower being repeated literally every 5 seconds, endlessly, as loudly as if they were standing next to you shouting in your ear? I have to kill my damn volume whenever I need to manage my inventory lmao
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8 답변작성자: kellygreen45 3/18/2022 5:22:50 PMMissed the point of the story.....COMPLETELY. The point that Saladin was making...and that he was somewhat clumsy in communicating....is WE DON'T SEE THE WORLD AS IT IS. WE SEE THE WORLD AS **WE** ARE. So if you aren't aware of this, you can make some bad decisions with really tragic outcomes. The point of his interaction with the Girl...is that he saw the girl not as she was....but as HE WISHED her to be. That she was only doing what she was doing because she had no other options. Because she was being coerced by bad men. He saw the lack of FEAR in her eyes when she was caught as a sign of courage. He considered the fact that the law at the time was to execute thieves as excessive and unjust. He assumed that if he gave her options (a second chance, and protection of the Iron Wolves) that SHE would choose differently, becasue HE would choose differently. The problem is that he failed to see the situation for what it actually was. She was stealing because she wanted to. She simply wanted what stealing from others (wealth, power) would give her. The lack of FEAR in her eyes was a sign of psychopathy...not courage (Sociopaths have an impaired ability to feel fear. Which is why they can do things to people that normal people either wouldn't or would hesitate to do.) When Saladin acted, all she did was use what he'd given her to become the LEADER of group of her own. ....and the villagers he had sought to help wound up paying the price for it. With their lives. Saladin's point is that the Road To Hell can be paved with Good Intentions, if one fails to see the situation one is in CLEARLY. He failed to hold her accountable for what she was doing as a child, and the result is that he helped to turn her into something MUCH, MUCH worse. The problem is that Crow/Uldren failed to HEED Saladin's warning....or learn the lesson in the story. So he goes on to make a similar mistake....only to have to have Saladin step in and save him from the consequences of his actions.
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작성자: MC 077 Lasombra 3/19/2022 10:01:09 PMHaha this is funny. That you think he had the free time to do all that shows how high in the clouds you are. Because the rest of this Logic means you should blame every Guardian back then for not bunking in villages to protect them from Fallen, thieves and other baddies. I mean it’s not like people were told that the only way they could be protected was by going to the City. It’s not like some people choose not to, that they wanted to do things their way and take the risks. Nooooo. It’s Saladins fault for not babysitting people for a decade or two.
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1 답변Which is why I fear for many people. Using it as justification for evil or selfish actions as “mercy” and not taking responsibility when negative consequences happen, only when it’s good positive outcomes.
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I get what you mean, unfortunately thats just not how the world works. Not everything has a happy ending, the scene didn’t really tell us exactly what happens after he murders the band of thieves. All we know is he got rid of the problem, he left because he had other important things to take care of and came back years later to see how it all went down. I do agree with you where he could’ve taken the child to the village and at least help those people learn to defend themselves but we aren’t telling the story, we are just in it for the ride. So just enjoy what you see or write your own book about it, this story reminds me of the Witcher and I thought the story was fine. No point in overthinking about it.
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1 답변Saladin- "I get the feeling nobody listens to me Story's" You just proved him correct. 😂.
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I made a post about exactly this a while ago. Glad I'm not the only one who saw the error in his actions and reasoning. He's too far removed from normal people to understand their suffering and ordeals. He's a monster holding onto theoretical ideals and acting like a child. I lost all respect for him when he told that story and showed he clearly hadn't learned anything from it.
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@spacefiddle As @LoreOradon alluded to,you really should of listened to Saladin's story,it would of saved you/us an unnecessary essay,so go back,re-listen to his story & hopefully learn where you went wrong! @LoreOradon It is funny how Saladin's words have rung true in real life,such a wise Ol'dog 🤔😂
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i think the point is consequence and responsibility, like he told crow in the helm message. i don't think saladins upset that he spared the girl as much as hes upset he didn't do enough, he didn't take responsibility, he didn't take her with him to safety, he just patted her on the back and sent her on her way and others later payed the price
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작성자: Hysorn 3/17/2022 11:36:25 PMThat's the thing though, you are missing the other part, the one where you have to be strong to walk the path that you judged right and deal with the consequences of your actions. I'm pretty sure he acknowledged that he failed there, his actions cost the lives of the villagers, the girl he saved and her band.
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6 답변You read way too far into bad writing. So much story is just awful here. Nonsensical.
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2 답변[quote]So after the cutscene where Saladin apparently tells Crow the story we're unlocking in the "Acts of Mercy" lore entries, as I much as I love that Saladin's getting more screen time I wanted to reach into my monitor and slap him. Quick summary of the key points: Saladin catches a thief, who's just a kid who has been coerced into her role as a thief. It should be obvious this gang of thieves didn't ask if she wanted to. Saladin believes he was "merciful" and that not killing a child who was coerced into criminal acts by adults is some massive and earth-shaking exception to the law of the day, which executed all thieves. Other than massacring that specific band of jerks, his only actions towards this kid were 1) not killing her on the spot, and 2) giving her a shiny necklace. And nothing else. He walks away and forgets about her, and the village involved, for years, by his own admission. Patting himself on the back about how "merciful" he was. But he wasn't. It isn't mercy to give a defenseless kid a shiny trinket that really probably would've gotten her killed by the first person who took a liking to it. If you intervene, if you get involved in something, you accept the responsibility for it. You spared this kid's life but left her alone in this lawless forest (with something that could make her an even bigger target....), no follow-up at all? Not making any effort at all to see her to a secure place, a safe place? Or at the very least, spend ten minutes talking to her and the village she was robbing? Explain what was really going on, ask them to take her in maybe? He did a half-arsed job - at best - and left a jaded, traumatized kid (not to mention a battered, belagured village) to their own devices. He came in, swung his axe around, and walked away. That's not being a "Lord." That's not standing for Order. That's just venting your anger on @$$h0l3s. Good for you. Meanwhile the people you leave behind still have to live their lives when you're gone. Mercy is not sparing the life of a child - that's just *sanity*. True mercy, real compassion and not just some abstract ideal, means taking responsibility for the results of that action and seeing it through. Seeing to the child's care. Seeing to the village's defenses. Making a real difference in people's lives.... not storming in and showing off how awesome you are then vanishing. But no, your axe is as far as you think your responsibility goes, eh? "Mercy to an enemy" did not create the monster that grew up to be the next local terror. Saladin's pride did. His arrogance. That he'd "solved" anything, when he'd barely scratched the surface of it. But he thinks his show of might is enough to change the world. I would've hoped that the intervening centuries would've brought the guy some insight into that incident. But it seems he 's still blaming "the enemy," and the concept of mercy - when there's no one to blame but himself. He failed that child, and the village that withered and died. And all he has to offer to make up for it is more judgement, more death. Perhaps one day the enormity of what he'd done, the full weight of it, will come crashing down on his mind. Perhaps he'll go half mad when it does. Perhaps that would be for the best. Sometimes old iron needs to be smelted and reforged.[/quote] It is mercy you can be upset all you want but what he did was actually mercy. How is mercy him taking care of the kid? It sounds like you literally are just nit picking with bias. [quote] mer·cy /ˈmərsē/ Learn to pronounce noun compassion or forgiveness shown toward someone whom it is within one's power to punish or harm.[/quote]
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the iron age is and always will be a massive dumpster fire that gets started during a false golden age when attila and the witch doctor collaborate and start pwning noobs all day. he typically showed no mercy to warlords but in this case he gave an offspring of a warlord a second chance. what else could he have done to help her? bring her along on his murderous quest? he obviously was not built to be a father to some random kid. his mission was to kill all the warlords. built differently he is, different purpose he serves. if it weren't for him and the iron lords, humanity would have been extinct a long time ago... or so they claim.... maybe the warlord tribal culture of earth would have restored a golden age without the need for intervention, who knows. much time has passed and things aren't looking good for sol given the witness is coming.