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3/12/2022 8:12:38 PM
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Ah, my bad. I'm just irritated that Bungo finally puts out something that requires teamwork and the community whines about it because they can't just be dragged through it like they usually were in previous raids.
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  • People are just complaining without actually trying it. There is just as many brain dead positions in this raid as any other.

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  • I was talking to a buddy of mine and he brought up a good point that this really feels like the Vault encounter in Last Wish. There are super easy roles (that are still roles, not just blank add clear), but as soon as you get someone to do the more complicated part (reading Vault), people act like it's the hardest thing in history. Honestly, I'm starting to think that the only reason Bungo didn't patch the Last Wish Riven cheese was because no one would ever do the raid again if they did. After watching all these people complain, I'm starting to think that was a more accurate assessment than I originally thought.

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  • See Riven is something that I'd understand if people complained about. You actually have to memorize -blam!- for that encounter if you want to do it efficiently. Not to mention the huge amount of callouts. But complaining about the new raid? Seriously? It's like Last Wish on baby mode.

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  • You don't have to memorize anything in Riven except where the eyes are (and even then, most just count them left 1-5 and right 1-5). If you're referring to where the symbols on the ground are (that you have to bank to make the elevator work), then you don't have to memorize those either. You can, in fact, do it with 3 call outs. Initial location (in the pit, left stair, right stair)(use the banker's left and right, not yours) General location (far, mid, close, top, or bottom) And then from there, tell them to walk in a specific direction until they hit it. So, for example: "Okay, it's at the top of the left staircase" *Player runs over there* "Okay now move forward and to your left a bit....stop. That one there." *Player banks* *Everyone leaves room and goes upstairs* Every Riven legit I've done, we've used that method and it's been fine.

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