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3/12/2022 3:09:55 PM
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I mean everyone has their idea of fun.
Both of the bosses have nothing burger positions where you can stick 3ish people into an ad clear position where they can't mess anything up.
It's actually kind of funny that the 2 most demanding encounters don't have bosses in them, because they actually require the full fireteam to do something more than just shooting.
I can understand the frustration in "memorizing" 27 symbols. But the symbols are all pretty different from one another. Basically an hour or two in the raid and your fireteam will be able to communicate these super easily.
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[quote]I mean everyone has their idea of fun. Both of the bosses have nothing burger positions where you can stick 3ish people into an ad clear position where they can't mess anything up. It's actually kind of funny that the 2 most demanding encounters don't have bosses in them, because they actually require the full fireteam to do something more than just shooting. I can understand the frustration in "memorizing" 27 symbols. But the symbols are all pretty different from one another. Basically an hour or two in the raid and your fireteam will be able to communicate these super easily.[/quote] You don't have to memorize 27 symbols. Literally gotten through multiple runs, all sherpas, just telling people to describe the symbol. "Black triangle" or "the pink one with the swirl in the middle" have worked fine so far and people pick up shorthand as the raid progresses.
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I was talking to a buddy of mine and he brought up a good point that this really feels like the Vault encounter in Last Wish. There are super easy roles (that are still roles, not just blank add clear), but as soon as you get someone to do the more complicated part (reading Vault), people act like it's the hardest thing in history. Honestly, I'm starting to think that the only reason Bungo didn't patch the Last Wish Riven cheese was because no one would ever do the raid again if they did. After watching all these people complain, I'm starting to think that was a more accurate assessment than I originally thought.
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See Riven is something that I'd understand if people complained about. You actually have to memorize -blam!- for that encounter if you want to do it efficiently. Not to mention the huge amount of callouts. But complaining about the new raid? Seriously? It's like Last Wish on baby mode.
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You don't have to memorize anything in Riven except where the eyes are (and even then, most just count them left 1-5 and right 1-5). If you're referring to where the symbols on the ground are (that you have to bank to make the elevator work), then you don't have to memorize those either. You can, in fact, do it with 3 call outs. Initial location (in the pit, left stair, right stair)(use the banker's left and right, not yours) General location (far, mid, close, top, or bottom) And then from there, tell them to walk in a specific direction until they hit it. So, for example: "Okay, it's at the top of the left staircase" *Player runs over there* "Okay now move forward and to your left a bit....stop. That one there." *Player banks* *Everyone leaves room and goes upstairs* Every Riven legit I've done, we've used that method and it's been fine.
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Nah I'm on the right game the fact the D2 raids are so puzzle heavy is why they're not as popular as the raids from D1. Again people like you who like puzzle heavy -blam!- are in the minority which is why most puzzle heavy raids sit and rot. This is a shooter. Not a puzzle game. I think you're the one on the wrong game.
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[quote]Nah I'm on the right game the fact the D2 raids are so puzzle heavy is why they're not as popular as the raids from D1. Again people like you who like puzzle heavy -blam!- are in the minority which is why most puzzle heavy raids sit and rot. This is a shooter. Not a puzzle game. I think you're the one on the wrong game.[/quote] Oh how fast you all forget Crown, where in the final encounter you had to switch buffs, and shoot crystals, and do the mini Gahlran mechanic, AND do the hands mechanic and all 6 people had to participate or you died. But sure, shooting 3 symbols and carrying a relic is SO hard 😂😂😂😂
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Like I said, puzzles within raids is nothing new overdoing it to the extent that they did with this one absolutely is new. And people don't like it and you can see that by the fact that people don't want to play it again. Your opinion, it's just not one that's shared by the masses and my point is proven by the fact that very few people are playing this.
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작성자: AbsolutZeroGI 3/13/2022 4:21:13 AMOh please, every raid that comes out has people who whine about it, going back to D1 raids. I remember people whining about Wrath starting with a boss fight and how tedious Kingsfall encounters could be. This one has just as much as any other raid. People just watch Datto struggle in contest mode and whine about it. Half the people in this topic have opinions but haven't even run the raid yet. LFG is full of bots wanting free carries, not getting them, and then blaming Bungo and the raid complexity. Even you, you've done 2 of this game's 10 raids. Two. How do you do know it's the most mechanically complex? You haven't even done them. Give it a rest, this is one of the best raids in D2.
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You're welcome to your opinion. I have mine. And again to creepy lowlifes skulking around people's profile in a desperate attempt to try and make a point are beyond sad. You're not worth the time for me to bother but again I'm a normal person and you're clearly not.
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[quote]You're welcome to your opinion. I have mine. And again to creepy lowlifes skulking around people's profile in a desperate attempt to try and make a point are beyond sad. You're not worth the time for me to bother but again I'm a normal person and you're clearly not.[/quote] Wanting to verify the validity of your commentary is normal. Expecting a stranger to trust another stranger on the Internet without looking into it is absurd. You can't believe anything you read on the Internet, they say, and only the liars try to get you to think you're crazy for not doing it immediately. Also, raid report took me 10 seconds to pull up because the entire community likes checking stats, so these tools are free and easy for everyone to use. Hardly counts as skulking. Your opinion is uninformed whining cuz Bungo won't feed you free raid clears. That's [i]definitely[/i] normal for this pathetic player base. Grow some thumbs, bot, and do the raid instead of whining about it.
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The fact you care so much your creeping others profile on Destiny is a problem you should talk to a professional about. You're the one not right not me. Go outside and get some sunshine. Interaction with other normal people might also do you some good. I've spent enough time on you as it is and I'm not better for it. Good luck to you I'm moving on.
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Again -blam!- You don't have to do something to have an opinion on it. Does somebody need to be -blam!- to know that you know what? It's probably not something you want to have happen to you. No. I could make 100 analogies just like that. So shut it.
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[quote]Again -blam!- You don't have to do something to have an opinion on it. Does somebody need to be -blam!- to know that you know what? It's probably not something you want to have happen to you. No. I could make 100 analogies just like that. So shut it.[/quote] But you do need to do something to understand what it's actually like. You can have all the opinions you want. But no one should take your opinion seriously. You haven't even attempted the new raid. How would you know how hard it even is?
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작성자: RockNotABoulder 3/12/2022 3:18:13 PMBasically every raid has puzzle mechanics you have to solve. Whether it be shooting a specific enemy to do something, or shooting a symbol to do something. There really isn't that much of a difference. I you seriously want to only shoot space aliens, strikes seems to be the way to go. Although you might have to dunk a few energy cores or something, sorry if that ruins your purist experience.
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작성자: RockNotABoulder 3/12/2022 3:30:16 PMPeople keep bringing up that number to over exaggerate how complicated a mechanic is. You don't "memorize" a list of 27 symbols. I couldn't write down all of these symbols outside of the raid if I was asked. On your first playthrough you just describe what the symbols look like, over time your team decides to make more efficient callouts. But you don't HAVE to make these callouts. There were plenty of times that my team just described what the symbol looked like to each other. I'm not sitting down looking at a piece of paper reading like I'm studying for a test. It just happens naturally as your progress. From your profile it's pretty clear that you just don't find raids to be that fun, and prefer PvP. Which is fine. But over exaggerating something and say you don't like it before you've even actually tried it seems a bit silly. There's multiple positions in this raid that if you really just want to be the alien shoot shoot guy, you can.
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You haven't got an accurate read on me if you think I prefer PVP. I loathe PVP and I used to raid in Destiny 1 and I've been here since the Alpha. So I know when a raid overdoes it on mechanics and I've watched enough of this to know instead of creating compelling content people want to do over and over again because they enjoy it Bungie created the artificial difficulty of 27 symbols which even if you downplay it still exist. This is a failure of Bungie's part to create meaningful content and you're defending it. It's not just sad it's an opinion not shared by the majority which in the end don't think 27 symbols is necessary. We can agree to disagree. You like it the masses say it's too much our opinions are subjective in the end and if Bungie wants to waste time,money & resources on something most people don't care to do because they couldn't be bothered to create good replayable content then by all means go for it.
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Good thing I don't have to explain myself to you or anyone else to have an opinion on something. I've put in the time and money into this series to -blam!- about it all day if I chose to. Thousands of hours across both games and hundreds of dollars across two accounts. I went into trials looking for gear you can only get there. I put a new emblem on I earned. It's not rocket science. It's another example of Bungie locking -blam!- behind activities people don't enjoy to get gear they want.
