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작성자: Talia Sendua
12/20/2021 2:50:21 PM
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Why doesn't it surprise me that, once Eyasluna comes back into the game, I am again reminded of the HC meta?
I also wonder why do I even bother what others are playing... Oh right... Because HC keep killing the usefulness of other guns like Scout Rifles and Pulse Rifles...
Why does Bungie treat us Rifle Users so bad in PvP?
Edit: Imo Destiny suffers from the same "Precision guns"-problem as Halo did from Halo Reach to Halo 5 with the DMR. The DMR was the most used gun in those Halo games and other guns barely had time to shine, hence why Halo Infinite has not any longer a DMR and people love the greater gun variety.
Not saying that HC should be removed or anything with that. Just as a point out that HC as most efficient pvp guns are not healthy for the games gun variety in PvP.
Edit: To grab some usage-data from Destinytracker.com
Counting primaries in appearance wit 1% or higher overall-usage...
Competitive PvP (total count 14 guns):
* 9 HC
* 1 Scout Rifle (DMT)
* 2/3 Pulse RIfles (3 if you count Messenger separated for both normal and adept version)
* 0 Assault Rifles
* 1 Bow (Le Monarch)
* 1 Sidearm (Forerunner)
* 0 SMGs
Quickplay PvP (total count 12 guns):
* 5 HC
* 1 Scout Rifle (DMT)
* 1 Pulse Rifle (BxR)
* 1 Sidearm (Forerunner)
* 1 Assault Rifle (Suros)
* 1 Bow (Le Monarch)
* 2 SMGs
When you just look alone at the 1% or more guns-in-usage you will notice that HC are always the most used primary class. Interesting, isn't it?
Sure, below 1% usage there are a lot of other guns that can be used. But if we focus alone on the 1%+ tiers you see that HC do have the most appearance there compared to every other primary type.
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3 답변You really just kind of pulled those numbers from out of nowhere. I use hcs a lot and I used No Time to Explain this week and can 100% say I was winning all my primary fights against handcannons
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8 답변I wonder why people like using handcannons. Hmm maybe because they literally made this game popular and are the only unique weapon type this game has compared to others and they feel great, look great and are just overall fun af. Thats like crying about ppl in counter strike who use the AK-47 LOL You my guy are playing the wrong game if you dislike what millions ENJOY using. And also pulse rifles are in a great state. you can SHRED handcannon users with them if you arent a complete potato at the game. Same with smgs and the right auto rifle archetypes. And to feed your weird scout rifle need, DMT is literally better than ANY other primary in the entire game.
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11 답변작성자: michael 12/23/2021 5:57:27 AMHand cannons will never be bad because of their inherent traits which will never change. Good in air accuracy, good handling, and high damage per shot are invaluable. If you take a gun like suros, not many realize this but it kills in SIX shots. That is a LIGHTNING fast time to kill, and it has very managable recoil so it is not hard to achieve. But? The gun is completely useless in the air, and slide challenging with it is not as effective because of the handling and the difficulty to acquire a target with its high zoom sights. In order to beat a good hand cannon user you really just have to rely on them making a mistake, or you have to prefire them or get good timing or something. In a straight up duel, the hand cannon is just better. And this will never change. I love suros, its one of my favourite weapons. But if I put it on in a rumble lobby against a good player using a hand cannon I am surrendering first place because I will lose every duel. Just how it is.
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12 답변I get it, I do, trust me. Scenario: you equip your favorite rifles and go into quickplay. as you're playing the game you notice that majority of your opponents are using handcannons. you try to play more aggressively, then you try to be more passive, you try to strafe while shooting, but no matter what you equip or what techniques you use its always [i]"three tap to the head"[/i]......aaannnnnnnnnnnddd you're dead.....again...... There's skill and then there's the weapons that feel the most comfortable for you. you just have to keep playing to find that middle ground. Truth is that the meta wont change, but hopefully when weapon crafting comes, we get to make some sick legendary rifles that actually put up a good fight!
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16 답변Destiny community is a bandwagon community. Most players in the game don’t believe in individual ideas on what they should use and how they should play. They live, breathe and sleep on the idea that they must have on the same load outs as everyone else to be competitive or to succeed.
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4 답변It’s always been a hand cannon meta. Call them “high skill” as much as you want, that amount of aim assist does not belong on a [i]precision[/i] weapon
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2 답변People naturally gravitate to the best weapons in the game. Handcannons will always have strong peakshot potential and the Eyasluna didn’t need to come out for this to be fact.
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2 답변This is for anyone who will say that other weapons are balanced. For me yes they are balanced for 3v3 type games but for 6v6 it's a nightmare for some matches. Honestly if bungie brings in bigger maps for 6v6. Other weapons will perform better against the hc, shotgun meta. Or bungie should go back to 4v4 since they don't make new maps.
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4 답변This is the most open sandbox that bungie has ever created. You can find success in almost any weapon type. Dont blame the tool.
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3 답변For D2 there was the MIDA meta, and then there was the Uriel's meta, and then some pulse meta with Graviton and others. But then I feel like it's just been HC for the last couple of years or so. I think people are using Eyasluna because it's new and pretty good, but if you really want to go HC and are willing to spare the exotic slot go with Crimson.
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5 답변Pulses are fantastic against anything that isn't close range 😂 Explosive round scouts are usually amazing at countering snipers and are generally very good at the right range (box breathing also helps).
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2 답변It’s not a hand cannon meta, it’s a bow meta. But don’t tell anyone. It’s a secret. 😶
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I mean Luna shouldn’t remind you of it as it’s never gone away. It will always be around as handcannons can do so much. I think a blanket aim assist nerf is needed but that’s probably all you can do without ruining them. We do have many other guns that compete though so it’s not like D1 when you had 3 handcannons that were massively OP.
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2 답변Eh, I’m kinda relieved. I’ve been using bows in PvP for quite a while now but a few weeks ago began getting hate mail every time I played. Since the new content dropped this has died down a bit… I can only assume it’s because something else now has the eye of the public LOL. I don’t know which streamer or game media outlet highlighted a bow build recently but I hope they don’t do it again :)
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38 답변작성자: Haunter 12/19/2021 7:30:04 PMHC should be meta. They are to destiny what lightsabers are to star wars Auto meta is trash, scout meta is boring Not sure what you mean regarding pulses, they seem plenty good
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6 답변작성자: Wes 12/20/2021 4:48:46 PMThis is arguably the most balanced weapon meta we have ever had in the bistros of D2. When the Trials population was at its highest points this season, [i]the maps had a noticeable effect on weapon usage[/i]. Several times pulses out performed hand cannons. I think a couple times fusions outperformed shotties. Shotguns weren't even in the top ten during Widow's Court. Changes like that [i]driven solely by map and not by a sandbox change[/i] have [b]never[/b] happened in Trials, during D1 or D2. [b]Ever[/b]. As far as weapons are considered, the only things you can argue need to be toned down are Chaperone and Forerunner, and the latter still needs some time to settle before thay discussion can really have any merit. While hand cannons might be the meta, pulses and even autos can have great success right now, with the exception of some of their archetypes that have always been lacking. That really couldn't ever be said before. Also, hand cannons are not preventing scouts from being used. The lack of map support for them is causing that. And further on that point, is it really surprising that as PvP populations lower into the season and we're left with the PvP enthusiasts and 5 year old maps variety lowers? No. No it is not. But I'd say that's more of a content problem than a sandbox problem.
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7 답변LoL WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT? Me: an Average PvP Player has 3,000+ kills on a Messenger 2,000 kills w/FB (TL) 1,700 kills w/ DMT(1,500 of which is PreBuff DMT and I play on Console) Also NTTE is VERY UNDERRATED Besides we’re in a ForeRunner meta now. It’s busted Stop blaming everyone else for your shortcomings. All of these Types of weapons are very COMPETITIVE with each other in this Sandbox. 140’s aren’t your problem. YOU ARE
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16 답변I'm going to guess what happened... You brought a Scout Rifle into Crucible and stood in the back of the map, because that's just how you like to play. Then someone came "rushing" you with a Hand Cannon, which basically means they were tired of you camping and killed you with a weapon that requires a minimal amount of skill. Then after losing a couple Crucible matches, you came to the forums to whine about Hand Cannons. Did I get that right?
