Nice try trying to sneak Year 1 of D2 back down our throats. Twab will not be well received. Abilities is what makes the pvp so unique. You literally could've made an exclusive gamemode that only allowed gun play and no abilities and put some nice exclusive rewards in the playlist and people who want a solely gunplay focused pvp mode to play could've played that. You're doing almost everything you did in year 1. With the long ability times and reduced lethality of abilities. You're trying to limit us to 1 super a game which made pvp so boring in year 1. No one asked for this. Its a matter of time before you bring back double primaries. Like are you forgetting that gunplay only and the teamshotting that followed is what killed Destiny 2 year 1!?! I'm all for encouraging gunplay. But this is not that way. The whole community literally just wanted a shatterdive nerf and a dunemarchers fix to the chaining. Like LMAO. If i wanted to just use my guns and have ridiculously high ttk values, I'd play halo infinite, which im going to. But its nice to have a unique pvp experience to come back to that CURRENTLY exists in D2. So, fyi. Ill be making my replies to some comments here in the original post as Edits because I cannot reply to comments since using a clown emoji is not nice according to moderators? Edit's (replies to certain comments): Saying that "tons of abilities have their own way of being broken" sounds to a lot like "anything that can get a kill when used correctly is OP. " lol Also in regard to shoulder charge, i dont even main Titan. I main warlock and hunter, and even I FEEL BAD that shoulder charge got nerfed to not be a 1 hit kill. Remember how that worked during year 1 bungie? Yeah... it didnt I find it funny when the people say "guess people need to learn how to use a primary now instead of crutching abilities lelelel" and then i look them up and they got a 0.67kd like lol. Guess you need to learn how to play the game better. If you think an ability is stopping you from absolutely decimating with a primary in this CURRENT sandbox, then you simply weren't good at the game to begin with and this change wont make you play any better. Ahh yes, to address the "learn to use a primary" gamers. Sitting in the back of the map teamshotting with a pulse rifle doesn't make you good either 😂. I really believe some of yall think sitting together holding hands with your teammates and gunning people down together with primaries is how you believe the game should be played. If you think that, then you dont believe in having "skill" with primaries, you believe in "as long as i shoot with my teammates, i do not deserve to lose the gunfight" Just for reference. 36k primary kills (18k HC, 7.5k auto rifle) 27k special weapon kills (13.6k are shotguns, 7k sniper, 4k linear fusion) 10k super kills 4k power kills 3.9k gernade kills 3.9k melee kills So in summary, (63k gun kills (excluding heavy) vs 18k ability kills. Oh yeah yall "really" getting oppressed by abilities am i right? 😂 More primary kills than super, power, gernade, and melee kills combined. Abilities already accentuate my gameplay in this state. And they're already arguably less potent than special weapons in general based on my case. A decent player isnt running you over with abilities, its already their guns. Im just so surprised yall are looking at abilities which based on a quick search of a lot of top/decent players makes up less of their kills than either their primary or special weapons combined or even alone! Calling it before someone even replies, someone still gonna say I crutch HC even though its a primary. Like lmao Off topic on abilities but i really like someomes comment about weapon meta's and often times its determined by maps and gamemodes. Like the reason shotguns are used so much is because of small maps with tons of corridors. You see more people sniping on widows court usually, we should get more modes, bigger maps, etc. Also hunter dodge shouldn't be nerfed. Warlocks can icarus dash every 4 seconds. Watch Pure Chill's gameplay. He uses icarus dash like a dodge. Just jump and dash right away and its basically a hunter dodge, but more frequent. An 18 second dodge at max mobility is literally making the only reason to be a hunter irrelevant.