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10/3/2021 6:57:46 PM
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Then don’t use it.
Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it is broken.
This game is not a pure shooter. Abilities are a legitimate part of the game.
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작성자: TheArtist 10/6/2021 7:33:51 PMShatterdive can’t OHK anything. It’s a combo that requires a grenade…being frozen…and then being struck by a second ability. The Shatterdive itself. Jeez. And it’s an ability that is only an issue for players who push too aggressively and thoughtlessly. Go bully someone else. You’re wasting your time with that -blam!- on me.
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작성자: Facelauss 10/6/2021 7:36:46 PMYou must pretty dense, everyone knows it’s the combo and anytime someone talks about it, they are talking about the combo. It takes less than a second to do both abilities so don’t pretend is hard to do either
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[quote]I’m not dense. I just graduated from the middle school playground 40 years ago and it’s going to take more than insults and bullying to shut me up. The ability can be managed. Back. Up.[/quote] “Great” points. Pretty much everyone gets past middle school. The combo can ohk supers, Titans inside their bubble for an example. It is not balanced Can’t teach old dogs new tricks is pretty fitting for you I seems
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작성자: TheArtist 10/6/2021 7:58:31 PMSure it is. Balance is counterplay. Backing up and fighting a powerful SHORT RANGE ability from a distance is a reasonable and proportional ADAPTATION. The problem is that many of you refuse to change how you play. So you just cry and demand that the game be made easier. Instead of you becoming more flexible.
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작성자: TheArtist 10/6/2021 8:18:38 PMAnd now come the ad hominems now that you’ve run out of talking points. You can attack me all you want. Doesn’t change the facts. Just shows that you’re willing to sling mud to get what you want. Mom must be proud. Just for the record? Note that I’m arguing AGAINST a range buff to Thorn despite the fact that I use it. And against a nerf to Shatterdive despite the fact that I NEVER use it. Just play against it.
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You clearly have no grasp on pvp or reasoning I brought that link up because you claimed to be vastly more flexible in pvp when it’s not true. You’re the bottom 7%. The percentage that actually needs outlier protection so you can learn the game properly.
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Actually just the opposite. I understand very clearly and recognize that you’re full of it. You are arguing for advantage rather than balance, and yours getting angry and abusive because you can’t bully me into backing down. Not now. Not ever.
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작성자: Facelauss 10/7/2021 1:12:08 AM“If I sit at the back of the map it’s fine” Ah wisdom of balance truly and not a strawman “an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted” We addressed this already, everyone is talking about the combo Kelly
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작성자: TheArtist 10/6/2021 9:02:23 PMThat’s why they give us an assortment of weapons with different [i]ranges.[/i] And it’s also why Thorn doesn’t need a range buff that would neutralize the competitiveness of other weapons. The game doesn’t need to be tuned so that you can play one way in every situation. That is the antithesis of balance. That tipping the sandbox in favor of one play style. Argumentum ad Populum: [i]Everyone is saying.[/i] “Everyone” isn’t and I don’t give a -blam!- if they were. Shatterdive can be managed if you are willing to back up and fight it at range. The problem is some of you don’t know how to play that way, or think that you shouldn’t have to. So out go the cries to make the game easier: [i]The whole world has to change so that I can stay the same….[/i]
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Saying 2+2=5 over and over again doesn’t make it true. And Bungie doesn’t have the luxury of ignoring everything that doesn’t support what you want. They have to account for how the weapon will be used and what build will get used. They can’t just jump up and down and insist that “It just doesn’t matter.” And if it doesn’t then that is even more reason to not bother doing it.
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[quote]Saying 2+2=5 over and over again doesn’t make it true. [/quote] “Thorn as it’s current range sits starts damage fall off at 29.13 due to its 54 range stat. Boosting its range stat by +15 would increase its fall off to 31.11. This would keep it at the lowest fall off maximum for all non sunset 140s Currently max damage fall offs for 140 handcannons are (source: D2 Gunsmith’s falloff calculator) Thorn 29.13 Annual skate 31.64 Judgement 32.16 Nation of beasts 32.3 Waking vigil 32.91 Finite Impacter 32.96 Fatebringer 32.96 Ace 33 (non momento mori) Dire Promise 34.07 Hawkmoon 34.36 Ancient gospel 35.53 Pali 36.69” My math isn’t wrong it would still be the lowest, you’re just deluded into think grips show make thorn insane, when they don’t they are a meme build
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Your math isn’t wrong. You just refuse to consider those numbers in context because they don’t support what you want. And that won’t change no matter how many times you post them. Read my lips: Thorns damage is highly variable. So it is balanced by reducing its range. Bungie knows that this weapon can easily get out of hand and they are not going to buff it. Especially when it’s is sitting in a good spot where it is gettinlots or use and few complaints. Period.
