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5/21/2021 11:09:03 AM
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Bungie, there is so much HATE between the PvE and PvP community, and you guys can pretty much stop it with some simple game adjustments.
No PvE main wants to go to the crucible to get kills with a certain weapon to work on a quest or catalyst. No PvP main wants to run the same lost sector or ordeal 20+ times to get a certain weapon or exotic armor piece.
PvE players start to hate PvP and all people associated with it and vice versa. And that’s what you see on these forums.
How to fix it?
- You get pinnacle and powerful drops by the amount of XP you earn. No more 3 forced strikes, 3 forced crucible games, 3 forced gambit matches, et cetera every single week. Just play whatever the f*ck activities you want and your powerful and pinnacle drops will come.
- If you bring in a new exotic or legendary weapon or exotic armor piece into the game, make sure there are PvE, PvP and Gambit paths to earn them. You want to farm Hung Jury? Go do ordeals in PvE, X activity in PvP or X activity in Gambit. No more “homework” from Bungie. It is after all a videogame you SHOULD play to enjoy yourself.
- Catalysts will get a PvE, PvP and Gambit path to complete them.
Done. It is pretty simple.
Cheers.
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1 답변I think they should keep pvp and PvE separate. Most mmo games do but Bungie can't quite grasp the concept. Picking up a quest in PvE then having to complete it in pvp is getting really old. It's the number one thing I hate about Destiny.
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I agree 100%. I find PVP to be an unbalanced shit show. Bungie is pretty blatant about what subclasses they prefer and leaves obviously broken weapons they've removed from availability alone. I quit playing Destiny for a solid year because they refused to address these issues. I thought they had learned their lesson and taken steps to fix, so I jumped back in for Beyond Light. My only mistake was believing they would stop listening to youtubers and buying the seasons pass. Destiny could be a great game however for me continually making the same decisions/mistakes has ruined the game completely. It's just become a slog and even with "new" content I just find it impossible to have fun anymore.
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13 답변작성자: illz 5/21/2021 6:11:23 PMWithout pvp, the game is hella stale. Without pve the game is hella stale. There is no such concept as pve or pvp main. Destiny IS pve and pvp and has been for 7 years. The sooner people realise this the better. Just because you choose to not engage with a core mode does not mean it will ever cease to exist or be relevant to a quest in the game. I have played for 7 years and turn to pvp because frankly pve runs dry 2 weeks into any seasonal or regular dlc. Pve has become very watered down and hands out everything. Exotics are far too easy to acquire. The game is both pve and pvp. Its just some people cant pvp so they call themselves pve mains. But thats their loss. Rarely do you find a true pvp main who refuses to run pve content. They can do all the pve shit cos its mad easy. They play pve to get the good gear and leave it until new stuff comes. I honestly have no idea what so called pve mains do because everything is done so fast. Unless you enjoy killing dregs in patrols? I dont get it though. Why cycle pve when all end game requires nothing. Like the hardest pve content requires next to nothing in terms of gear. Pvp exists to fill that void and naturally pvp fills the gap between content drops. There is no such thing as a pve main or a pvp main. Insecure people create these labels to shield from activities they suck in or dont enjoy. Thats all good, but you cant expect the games fundamentals to fold at your beckoning call. As a pve only game destiny is FAR TO THIN in terms of content and difficulty. Which is why pvp is a nice buffer as it actually tests builds and people vs something other than red bar dregs. Destiny is destiny because of its pvpve elements. It isnt csgo and it isnt tombraider. If you want a sole pvp experience there are many games out there. If you want a sole pve experience there are many games out there. Stop trying to force your inadequacies on a 7 year old game, its boring.
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I’m a big pvp player, and the mindless grind it has and how it forces you to play their game, not your Guadians story. I always thought no matter what activity you Play you should be not limited to how you achieve power, if I have to win 5 survival rounds for a pinnacle I would, but how they make you do things has always been like a boss feels. Go do this, and this, now this. I think pve has some fun modes and great places. But the AI is mindless, and the increase in difficulty isn’t new enemies, new attacks, or anything different, just more agro and health. And that gives off the illusion they are harder
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작성자: CRADLE MOUNTAIN 5/23/2021 1:14:49 AMI'm a pve player with the occassional Gambit run for the weekly pinnacle drop. I was checking my exotic catalyst triumphs recently and I have all these masterworked exotics but the crucible ones. I'll never get those catalysts either. Not because I dislike pvp or that playerbase, I am just no good at it nor interested. It's Bungie's game and ultimately, they can do what they want. I accept that .......with detest of course. What I don't accept is a pvp player telling a pve player to 'get gud' or 'learn that part of the game' when they may be the first one to complain about stasis in crucible. The irony is deafening. I have no problem with pvp players whatsoever. I have watched them on youtube and what they do is simply amazing. So quick and organised. Their accuracy is insane. If pvp players were to think of the frustration the last time they were obliterated by a stasis wielding guardian, well that's how a sole pve players feels having to go into crucible just to grind for exotics. It's not pleasant on both sides but it is what it is. I agree with the OP - multiple options to complete exotic quests would be a great revision.
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1 답변Agree with everything except one thing. Nightfall exclusives should be nightfall exclusives. Same goes for Trials, Raids, Dungeons, etc. But I totally agree with the catalyst thing, why is the sidearm caty need pvp kills? It should be one bar. PvP kills: 50 (or whatever it is now) / PvE kills: 250 (or something) really doesn’t seem that hard for “the team of experts to handle” (their words not mine). Also the pinnacle stuff should be xp in activity base and there is theirs where let’s say. 1000 xp in playlist (any playlist) = pinnacle 3000 xp in playlist = pinnacle 9000 xp in playlist = pinnacle
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2 답변I don't hate other players. Emotions yes... I hate a system which promotes toxicity and encourages people to develop/express negative emotions. Even worse encouraging addiction. Stasis, given weapon meta, maps not matching player numbers, stupid quests/bounties, piss poor matchmaking etc are entirely Bungie's responsibility. Players - particularly seasoned ones - best/worst case exploiting the system. If anyone to blame for what shortcomings so ever it's Bungie. No one else.
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15 답변작성자: pacificdune 5/21/2021 8:54:45 PMI call BS. I like both modes, and so do most of the hundreds of players I know. I think there is a minority on here that somehow thinks they represent the vast majority of players who enjoy both pve and pvp. Please stop.
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13 답변If they actually did this PvP would be a ghost town. Without PvE players for the PvP sweats to stomp on that game mode would be a bunch of sweaty losers killing each over and over.
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6 답변PvP players will always have a high ego of themselves. PvE players will always exclude people for missing specific guns. Both will never change.
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2 답변I don't think pvp mains hate pve mains. I think they like us quite a bit. We're cannon fodder for the most part for them
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3 답변I agree. Us PVE folks don't have time to deal with all the PVP crybabies. And their constantly -blam!- about what needs a nerf...
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Nicely said and totally agree. The bounty simulator and work list of things to repeat each week is monotonous. Personally don’t mind dipping into pvp for Iron Banana but thats about it without some form of tiered or sbmm. Gambit is meh.
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2 답변On CoD they set it up like ...you can do all the challenges in Zombies or Multiplayer. But you know... its Bungie and people have been gripping about this for years and they dont care or listen.
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4 답변Ever hear a pvp main try to claim that raids or nightfalls are worthless and should be removed from the game? No. That's because pvp mains actually play the pve content and appreciate it for what it is. Pve mains never play pvp, yet still cry bloody murder for its existence. It's like the reality that they suck at pvp is too much for them to handle, so therefore it must be removed so they can feel better about it.
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44 답변From what I know it’s always the pve community complaining about having to out of their comfort zone to get something they want. I never see posts like that from the pvp community.
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4 답변Problem with this theory is that most "pvp mains" still play pve but don't complain about most things. Can't say that to the other way around. Because of this your theory is flawed and biased
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