After so many years in D1/D2, you get to see the types of players that play. Afk's, blueberries or new lights, people that leave, lost sector goblins and potato wi-fi users and players that punch you non-stop. These types of players are what drag the game down and put the game in a bad light and not "elitism".

People can’t even be bothered to put champion mods on for a lower tier nightfall. It’s not gate keeping it’s bad and uninformed player protection. Could you imagine raid matchmaking. Lmfao!!!

They only reflect the BS attitude undertaken by Bungie. They could put in an optional solo queue into Trials, but they don’t...Same with higher difficulty NF and raids. Would they be a shite show? Yes but it would drive player engagement and not bother those using discord and LFGs who could toggle off matchmaking. This was the way of the Scarab Lord, it could change but I kinda doubt it...

Lol do better as a community good luck champ

Nah. There's nothing wrong with requesting experienced players. Not everyone has the time to guide rookies through raids, grandmasters and trials. Also, raid matchmaking would fail because it would just pair you up with randoms that don't have mics, don't know mechanics, don't have good connections and [b]might not even speak the same language as you. [/b]

BECAUSE I am a day 1 b e t a players and I WAS THERE FOR insert event in D1 AND I PAID 4 THE GAME AND I BLAAAAH Basically self entitlement

It’s the reward factor. Unfortunately things in this game can take a ton of time and everyone is loot hungry. If they done something a few times they want their rewards the next time as fast as possible. So they don’t want to teach raid roles again, they don’t want to have average trials players again, etc. It’s unfortunate but hey a lot of adults only have a few hours to play and can’t spend all night. Sometimes I do stick with a raid group that is teaching. Until 2am and other times I’m sick of it. Depends on the day.

[quote]Its really unlike any other game I’ve played. In destiny people seem to mystify things like raids or trials or gms with some elitist attitude like only the “best” should be able to play. [/quote] I'm guessing you haven't tried to play the endgame in the division. Good luck getting a team for a raid when damage builds are all you can run [quote]People push against things like matchmaking for stuff which would be an objectively good idea with a voice chat fix like...team game with no way to make a team ok.[/quote] Matchmaking would "objectively" be the opposite of a good idea, splitting the matchmaking pool of an lfg to form more flimsy teams. And the voice chat feature is a good idea for certain other activities (legend nightfall) but it is so bad in this game that everyone uses discord and party chats as the alt. [quote]I think even d1 had an easier system.[/quote] You thought wrong. And if we wanna look at d1 as an example of "good team making" may I remind you of the ghally gatekeep of year 1? [quote]There’s a lot of stuff a lot of people are missing that make this game a lot more complicated then it needs to be. [/quote] I have no clue what this is in reference to, passing over for now [quote]Trials is just pvp it isn’t some big thing. Anyone can play.[/quote] Agreed, however it is mechanically competitive in nature, so if someone wants to specify the skill of their team-mates for a flawless card, then it is their right to do so. [quote]Raids are just a long strike with mechanics. Just because someone doesn’t want to have to get there phone and discord just to play a free game doesn’t make you better.[/quote] Yes, and those mentioned mechanics often lead to wipes if information isn't passed through means of chat. However, you are deeply devaluing raids to the point of being deceptive about their nature. Sure, they can be compared to strikes, but communication is CRUCIAL and some people just wanna talk to people while they are playing an hour long activity. If you can't be bothered to hand out ya discord and talk to someone, then I guarantee that you won't be bothered to sit through a raid. Apologies if that came of as too harsh, I have a soft spot for raids [quote]Do better as a community and make things less scary and maybe save this hemmoraging player base and hopefully bungie does too if they realize casual players will bring them money too. [/quote] Oh god no, bungie has been marketing to casuals (no disrespect against those people, to be clear) and their way of doing so is to take a game f2p and slam eververse with more content than the game ever has available at one time. [quote]But I also wanna know why??? Why do people get so defensive when raid matchmaking is brought up or making trials a fair mode???[/quote] The reason, from my understanding, is because you are greatly devaluing what the endgame means to a lot of players. We want a more intense environment than strikes, so we turn to raids. We want a more competitive environment with risks and rewards, so we turn to trials. Your solutions are trying to turn this fairly easy game with slightly harder challenges into something they aren't fundamentally.

The only things I get that mentality for are GM nightfalls and Raids. Other than that, if I make an LFG post, I don’t care how bad you are. I’ll carry.

[quote]Its really unlike any other game I’ve played. In destiny people seem to mystify things like raids or trials or gms with some elitist attitude like only the “best” should be able to play. People push against things like matchmaking for stuff which would be an objectively good idea with a voice chat fix like...team game with no way to make a team ok. I think even d1 had an easier system. There’s a lot of stuff a lot of people are missing that make this game a lot more complicated then it needs to be. Trials is just pvp it isn’t some big thing. Anyone can play. Raids are just a long strike with mechanics. Just because someone doesn’t want to have to get there phone and discord just to play a free game doesn’t make you better. Do better as a community and make things less scary and maybe save this hemmoraging player base and hopefully bungie does too if they realize casual players will bring them money too. But I also wanna know why??? Why do people get so defensive when raid matchmaking is brought up or making trials a fair mode???[/quote] The same reason people gatekeep in general. Ego.

This guy saids that they did it better in D1.. lmaooo He must of not played when Crota raid was around and you wouldn’t be able to join a raid group because you didn’t have Gali..

I'm just putting this out here not wanting to be on discord or a chat when doing a raid yeah probly shouldn't be there because communication definitely helps

Elitism is just a mere way of bragging nothing more elitists often have nothing real in their actual lives to be proud of so they need to weigh themselves via their online epeen. Matchmaking for raids and trials etc imo should be optional even if it is just to give more players a small taste of those modes it could well lead to higher group participation. It wouldnt effect those currently doing them already so the only rational explanation is they fall Into that Elitist crowd

Agree, matchmaking should be more prominent except Raid and GM. Rest is totally doable. I guess bungie is only not doing it to make us come back to the app to find a fireteam to collect more app data from us.

That’s because there should be something to do. No need to improve or complete a hard activity? The game becomes boring. There should be top 0.1% activities so that the other 99.9% has something to work towards. I never would have met my best friends if it wasn’t for “gatekept” content.

Why don’t you ask the Scarab Lord himself?