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3/17/2021 12:13:24 AM
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Warlocks have been forgotten or mistreated for too long. This needs to stop.

Warlocks deserve to be treated better

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Warlocks are fine as they are

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More Warlock Nerfs

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Badass Gaming sums it up the best. Warlock mains such as myself have had everything good about our class either nerfed to the point of it being unusable or straight just removed out of the game/changed (I'm looking a you dawnblade/Well of radiance). Guardian Games just goes to prove the point that warlocks are an underappreciated class and I think those who are fellow warlocks would agree. 9 days after Beyond light Shadebinder was nerfed. Only just recently have the Stasis subclasses for Titans and Hunters have received nerfs, which is in the best of terms that apply, Bias against warlocks as a whole. Why Do you remove what is even vaguely enjoyable about warlocks. I don't want to be stuck on Top Tree Dawnblade or Top Tree Nova Bomb. I want Nova warp to be fun again, Stasis to actually feel like it does something, and to you hunters who may complain. Go ahead, you know they listen to you since you are the most played class in the game. If anyone gets bothered by opinion, I apologize but I needed to get this off my chest. I've had enough.

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  • That video is unwatchable. No wonder the forum hates youtubers, and yes he is wrong. If you can't see how good warlock is it's a you problem

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    • 작성자: XCape=[God] 3/20/2021 4:35:47 AM
      Warlocks destiny 1 🤑 Warlocks destiny 2 🗑🗑🗑🗑💩💩💩💩💩💩 Edit: I just watched the video it was fantastic your absolutely right when it comes to armor warlocks look like hobos or f-xking drag queens wearing face masks. The thing you missed about the warlock void subclass is the nerfs they did to top tree void walker the axiom detonation blast radius was reduced and the tracking time was They also reduced the initial damage to combatants from the main bomb so yeh I’m considering just putting all blues on my warlock and deleting it after like 2000 something hours I can’t stand how shit they look and how the warlock hatred is just over the top the design concepts for warlock exotics are the worst they’ve been and just suck shit , shit perks that arnt any good outside of PVE and yeh the nerfs to well of radiance wasn’t justified IMO or chaos reach

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    • Come on now... Warlocks have the prettiest dresses in gaming history. ✌

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      • warlocks are by far the biggest crybabies on these forums. titans get pampered and hunters get blamed for everything.

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        • Bungie slid this thread hard . Warlocks have no voice.

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        • I play Warlock the most and, although we get nerfed a lot, we are not unplayable. Stasis, Top Tree Dawn, and Chaos Reach have been and will stay good in PvP. I’ve always used Top Tree Dawn in PvE because of its speed, but Shadebinder has been really fun and good. Again, we’ve been nerfed and our Stasis class is the worst out of the three in PvP, but we are not unplayable and Shadebinder is probably the best Stasis class for PvE simply because of how easy it is to freeze stuff and the fact that the super is a ranged freezing ability.

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          • as long as Icarus Dash still remains, I couldn't care less about the strife a warlock goes through. Not until its either removed, or Twilight Garrison is added

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            • I mean, I'm a warlock main myself and I agree that we are the class that get hit by the nerf hammer the hardest. But it's not like we are the only one with crap supers. Nova warp got stomped into the ground, but burning maul for titans were bad from the beginning and nobody is talking about that. Dawnblade and stormcaller are so good in pvp compared to titans and hunters light subclasses. As a warlock myself I get where the frustration is coming from, [b]but we are by no means[/b], bad at all.

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              • 작성자: KalelKryptonian 3/19/2021 1:35:48 AM
                I'm sorry was is your stasis nerfed in PvE and PvP oh sorry that's just Titans.

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                • What do you mean? I saw a warlock get a double kill in crucible 4 weeks ago. If they're so forgotten hows that even possible?

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                • 작성자: Ghostfire239 3/18/2021 1:11:40 AM
                  Shadebinder is actually pretty good the melee is top tier and the super is great at shutting other supers down. Nova Warp is also pretty good, but that’s because I personally play much better with blink and most Warlocks seem to hate blink for some reason. (Not trying to be offensive to Warlocks in this next part, but I’m not gonna sugarcoat things either) [b]IMO[/b], a lot of Warlocks on the forum seem to have this thought process of “If it’s not top tier, but it’s bad” or “if it’s been nerfed it’s complete shit”. Obviously there are people like this in all classes but it has become rather significant for Warlocks for quite sometime now (Also this not to be confused with the people simply asking for a buff. That’s completely fine to do). Something can be good without being King of the Meta. Example: Gunslinger isn’t exactly top tier atm. That doesn’t make it bad, In fact I would say that it’s really good if used correctly. It fine to be upset about a nerf when it initially happens, but it’s also important to move past them. Think about it like this. Warlocks spent so long talking about how everything they have sucks and yet only recently did most of them discover exactly how powerful Chaos reach can be (despite it being this way since it came out). What I’m trying to say is, try out some of those “bad” subclass but actually try to learn how best to play them. You’d be surprised at how good some of them are. Granted some will genuinely be bad, but not all of them. [spoiler]Also a lot of the points made in this video are clearly biased. For example: Sunsinger wasn’t in D2 because sunsinger was a problem in things like Trials in D1. You literally as to either A have all 3 orbs in one spot and be head to kill them immediately or if they weren’t together you would have to have a player constantly stay by that orb making getting the puck almost pointless since you’d essentially lose a player to keep an eye on the Sunsinger themselves. He tries to call out the Golden gun plays as problematic but doesn’t consider how rare it is to have all 3 orbs in the same spot so that they could each be shot down. Golden back then lasted 12s, so if they died in different areas (or just revived at the sane time instead of one at a time) that would have played out very differently. [/spoiler]

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                  • Warlocks: HuNtErS sToP aSkInG fOr NeRfs waaahhh. Hunters: we literally experienced nerfs to subclasses that ruined them in d1 so you need to stop with the victim mentality. We have all had major nerfs that were uncalled for... We have all experienced a time where a class seemed to be the main focus. In d1 warlocks reigned in PvE as they broke the machanics so much, they had to design a wipe mechanic to stop that. Listen I agree with warlocks that chaos reach shouldn't be neutered. However warlocks tend to have this ego issue and think everyone is out to get them. We aren't. As I said above, tend to. Not all warlocks have the issue, some are decent people and some are good people. I experienced these uncalled for nerfs in d1 with thether and golden gun AND d2 with tether again and golden gun again. They nerfed the exotics for those as well as its the case for warlocks. Its happened to every class, its not just you and yes it sucks. And please don't bring up the "well the majority of people play Hunters, therefore bungie favours them" The truth is actually not that far off, they hate everyone. Doesn't matter the class, they spin the dartboard, put on a blindfold and throw to see what gets the nerf.

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                    • If you stop playing PvP the game is a lot more fun. Warlocks are actually insanely good in PvE.

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                    • Dude, they nerfed shade binder again despite "fixing" the bugs to the super. It's obvious they hate Warlocks

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                      • It’s pretty bad. Played around 15 games of comp last night. Almost every player is a Hunter or Titan stasis subclass - some where around 90% of the playerbase. Then there’s little ol me running Nova Warp as a blink main. The fact is players want ez buttons and they will run what is easiest to use. That’s why the majority of the playerbase mains hunter unless you’re a strict shot gun ape then you main Titan. Felt good to go on a long ass win streak against all of these players.

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                      • 작성자: Ferus Lux 3/17/2021 9:10:42 PM
                        They don't care because most players play Hunter and its easier to pander to the majority and make them feel powerful with broken kits than to make Warlocks powerful for too long and make them feel like they need to switch characters. Also, there seems to be a disinterest in Warlocks by the studio. This is evident by the declining quality in Armor designs, uninspired stasis super, and the fact that Warlocks don't even have a Stasis exotic. Imagine that. Creating a new element and not giving them an exotic to take advantage of it, and then, they give us a redundant Stasis turret and no shatter ability 2 seasons later 🤣 All of this can only mean disinterest and bias against the class.

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                        • Breh, bungie caters to the titans way more. Hammers took forever to be "adjusted". Striker took forever to be "adjusted", sentinel is still powerful as hell, with suppression grenades and shields that can wipe a team in a throw. I can't say "nerfed" because they are still usable. It is the only class with exotics that are so usable in all activities. Double grenades chests, super damage chest, shield granting helmets, infinite melee helmets, broken boots that let you chain lighting multiple enemies to death by running. There are so many more options on this class than any others that work across the board. Warlocks have transverse steps and....... that's it. You are so correct it's disgusting. I literally have hunter friends and warlock friends switching to the never nerfed titans. Bungie needs to stop the hate.

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                        • I feel the pain bro enough is enough

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                        • And let's not forget about the time a certain warlock exotic helmet got completely nerfed BEFORE EVEN BEING RELEASED because hunters and titans cried that it was just gonna be too good to use. But as for the other classes, Bungie needs some time to collect data and see how things plays out to determine if things might maybe need a little adjustment. lol

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                          • Yep, agreed. It is obnoxious how in raids you are supposed to be doing onr thing and nothing else. How you are forced ro choose one subclass to do any meaningful pvp and how the changes and nerfs happen to warlocks instantly while hunters and titans are left alone for months. We are not being ignored, we are being hated by Bungie. Or, the team who is responsible for Warlocks don't really play the game. Nowadays my warlock routine is as follows: - I play pvp with top tree dawnblade, chaos reach was fun but everything else falls behind. - raids is well and lunafaction boots. -pve, stasis but never ever use its super because it is so underpowered for everything and it's just waste of time. Sometimes I even venture to the unknown and use bottom tree solar with the ugly exotic helmet that buffs the super to do something... And after the easy weeklies, I usually play other games. The constant nerfs and bias towards the class I have played since d2 launch have made the game lose most of its interest. Even my clanmates suggest that I should switch classes since warlocks are so bad. Thanks Bungie, for nerfing us.

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                            • Here here my fellow warlockian! Bungie has spat upon us for TOO LONG. Space magic should be amazing! Warlocks embody that space magic, yet are treated like second rate trash. Oh wait, that’s Titans. So warlocks are treated like THIRD RATE TRASH. Ikora Rey is our vanguard but all she does is stand around doing nothing. Meanwhile Zavala runs the entire last city and Guardian army with an iron fist. He’s the de facto dictator of the Sol system. They took Osiris’ light, killed Asher, and have offered up no new badass warlocks in quite some time. This is obvious bias. And don’t even get me started on how weak our supers have become... The way I see it, Bungie has clearly drawn a line in the sand. It goes like this: Hunters - easy mode Titans - normal mode Warlocks - hard mode You know what!? I DON’T CARE! I will still choose warlock every damn time. Warlock is life. Warlock is true master race. Oh and Bungie? STEP OFF MY ‘LOCKS!!! ✊

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                            • Bungie: You know, I haven't nerfed Warlocks for awhile. Lemme see what they got... Chaos reach? Haha, not anymore! ---

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                            • For just £5 a month you can sponsor a warlock and make sure they get all the love and support they deserve😂

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                              • 작성자: Sturm with no Drang 3/17/2021 12:16:12 PM
                                I like how my ‘Lock plays even though I’m more of a Titan/Hunter person, but dear god do I hate the jump. With Titans, Lift has way better thrust to it, regardless if you go for strafe or high, but with Warlocks you kinda just slowly hang in the air with Glide. The fact that Bungie has to spec Top Tree Dawnblade just to give a ‘Lock better jumping capabilities says a lot.

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                                • Yeah we will be better with a shatter ability at very least.

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                                • I'd say you can blame pvp for most of the nerfs. Bottom tree Dawn, nova warp etc all nerfed because of pvp.

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