Timers are the laziest answer to adding difficulty

Whisper mission had a timer, and that was dope Zero hour had a timer, and it was dope If anything the timer makes you more efficient at clearing areas and using certain loadouts to maximize speed and efficiency. I don’t mind the timer

I disagree for the sole reason that Dead Man's Tale is yet another stupid idea from Bungie and the less people have it, the better.

A 25-minute timer isn’t even unreasonable. The mission is easy. If you can’t finish Presage in under 25 minutes, you’re just bad. Use Presage normal to familiarize yourself with the paths and encounters before jumping into Presage Heroic.

Honestly Im on the fence about this. I think a timer is a pretty annoying way to add difficulty, I personally have no problem with it but I can see how someone slower or more casual would have a hard time. Two things though. 1) the activity is 1320 if im not mistaken which currently pretty much no one is at, so almost everyone is underlevelled. By the end of the season though, most people will probably be at or beyond this level so you wont have to deal with the timer on top of being underlevelled. You'll still have to go somewhat fast but it wont be as difficult. Just keep in mind you have the whole season AND THE REST OF THE YEAR to do this. 2) People don't like hearing this but I feel like there is a sort of entitlement within the casual part of destiny that they must be capable of doing everything in the game. Unfortunately destiny has a wide audience to please, and if an optional difficulty bump on a mission is too hard then you do not have to do it. Or it should be something you can aspire to complete in the long run, like I said you have the whole year to do it. Just because you can't beat an activity the day it comes out doesn't necessarily mean it is too hard or hard for the wrong reasons. Give yourself some time to get better gear etc, the mission will still be there. If the hard mode version of the mission was smoked by the whole playerbase on the first day then why even call it a hard mode? If you can't do it right now it's something to work towards.

If i can carry 2 ppl 1280 light level as a 1310 with 5 mins left on the timer, what are you even doing??

Why? because they took the easy way out instead of being creative like devs should be creating new mechanics. A timer is just lazy work and that is all Bungie seems to be about these days. It's just like their dumb champions and stomped mechanics that they have been spamming through the entire game. Edit: Seriously, it's like them creating a new weapon like the bow. Great, you created a new weapon, Thank you, but that doesn't mean we asked you to create a 100 different types, or swards. How about being actual devs that have the motivation, inspiration, incentive to create new types of weapons without spamming them. WoW! what a concept...

wow so many people are clueless on OPs take, almost everyone ive seen "say the timer is fine" has done this in 2 or 3 man teams..... just like Zero Hour and Whisper, these were borderline cancer doing solo "because of the timer", and before people complain, I completed Harbinger solo in under 15 minutes I have the triumph for it. and yet see people "say Harbinger was more difficult" lol not even close. why? because one has a timer while the other doesnt. Timers should not be a method for "making content harder" harbinger mission is a testament to that, interesting mechanics in fight rooms that change weekly etc. this mission is not only over level'd for a "catalyst" that I bet will get nerfed anyways especially on warlocks with heat rises :D it also has no new additions to its "game play" apart from needing to run "all 3 singe types" I also really hope the "champ:mob" modifier is actually not meant to be there because if this actually "spawned" champs then this not only proves how shit bungie are in creating "meaningful" harder content, but it proves how little they care about "all" players by forcing everyone to potentially run a fixed loadout, its already cancer needing all 3 singe types and having two stupidly tanky abominations, yh sorry but this is far from the quality that Harbinger brought in its uniqueness and freshness with rotating mechanics. solo players exist, and timers are literally stupid for the solo audience, im fine with a triump being awarded "for completing a timed" version but at least let solo players enjoy the content in its harder form (well if it actually had something new to offer) without having to race through the damn thing and be forced into some brainless running around.

Literally took myself at 1313 and 2 and 1310 and had 3 minutes to spare at the end boss It’s not hard at all. Maybe if you’re a smooth brain it would be hard

I’m a solo player and I just did it Lfg. Only took two tries. Also, I’m fine with timer because the normal version is still playable if you don’t want the timer. He harder difficulty just gives the catalyst.

This game isn't ever going to be catered towards solo players so just accept that already.

https://youtu.be/YtKdlQULDyI Just going to drop this in the thread.