[quote]Am I the only one who thinks trials shoukd be like the raid where you only get drops from first time completion per week? Of course I know the account recovs will jump up and hate on me but I dont care. Cant even get one game in without it being a damn recov group running the adept handcannon already. This is like comp with Lunas and Not Forgotten all over again but worse[/quote] Half the flawless people paid for their flawless this their achievement is worth nothing Bungie promoted this with the iliad sales of carries and runs through their app which is currently under investigation,. The real fack here is anytime you can pay to get something done because you suck to bad to do it yourself you have in actually taken something a game that demand a bit of hammer respect and turned out into a joke, I would wear a glasses title of I had it because the majority of people bought it so that makes and titles or achievements tired to our related to pvp in this game absolute trash that deserves no recognition whatsoever even for the ones who got out as they are partially to blame. Defend it how you like, criticize me how you like, but this is a fact that want change and anyone stupid enough to pay for a carry in anything is just as stupid, even the minority of players feel the same, no love Loss, I don't blame y'all for over indulgence it's your money spend it on what you want but if your a pretender your a pretender better sweet your ass down before someone real does it for you,. Kd doesn't mean shit except for the match your on and all flawless means to most people I this game now is "carried'

Trials isn't for casuals. If you're not prepared for every game to be as tough as your 7th game, you're in the wrong playlist.

Thats not what Bungie wants. Bungie has an emblem that is for people that like going in and stopping people from going flawless.

To be honest itll come down to the juice being worth the squeeze. What they should do is this, get rid of the card system currently. Bring back the one entry card that starts with a win, forgives a loss and your 2nd win counts as 2. Then once your flawless you can pick up a card to help friends etc but you dont gain additional rewards, tokens sure but itd be more akin to D1, multiple lighthouse runs didnt get you more loot. But, you can go into essentially a challenge mode trials. The card is picked up from saint on mercury. only 5 wins, no loss forgiveness. And you're dropped into a player pool of already flawless players. However you get additional loot every win. 1st win = 20 tokens, 3rd win = the weekly weapon, 4th win weekly adept weapon + ascendant shard. As much as the player base would like to not play against already flawless players, there would have to be an additional Avenue that's worth it to them to stay out of the non flawless player pool. Some will say "well the rich get richer", but realistically these teams would be in your player pool already ruining you're runs. So there has to be incentive for everyone here to play.

Not gonna happen

I have no drive to try a single game of trials. Never will play a single game.. I know there’s no hope to compete, so why should I bother.

Pretty well done with trials because of this...... and other crap

I wouldn't say locked out. I would put them in a different bracket per character. So for people that haven't went flawless then has a better chance

That could make the playlists go up in numbers by more ppl goin in and also be funny. Less cheaters and less sweats

They need to (at least) do something to insulate the lower-skill players from getting curbstomped in the first couple of games by people who literally farm flawlesses. In fairness though, the Adept Hand Cannon is really good (stat-wise), but there is nothing inherently, significantly "unfair" about it like was the case with Luna and Not Forgotten (which actually broke the sandbox).

It’s extremely disheartening when the first game on the first card of the week is against flawless titles who have already been to the lighthouse this week. Absolutely shouldn’t be a thing.

Ah yes, good ol’ gatekeeping

Hadn’t thought about this but yeah, that would be good and would help players actually get 3 or 5 wins who are now just getting farmed.

There should be a tier lvl system where rewards rank up as you progress through flawless runs. Gives lower skill lvl players a chance at going flawless, and give high skilled players a reason to keep going to get the better drops from the higher tier lvls.

You cant get one game in because the total concurrent amount of trials players is extremely low, so the odds of running into a stacked team is very high. The playerbase ended in this abysmal state because there hasnt been enough trials reward incentive for the lower skill brackets. Not enough reasons to play for everyone equals a dead playerbase over long-term. A dead playerbase guarantees those remaining will constantly meet cheaters, recoveries and the top percent skill brackets since the ratio of those to total players goes up as the amount of total players goes down while the most committed stick to the playlist. The solution to the OP's problem would be a large playerbase in the playlist, which could've been achieved if every skill bracket had plenty reward incentive to play for from day 1. OP's suggested solution is removing reward incentive from a skill bracket. It's a very poor answer that doesn't properly address anything. Less reward incentive in any form is not a solution and would only drive total player numbers further down long-term. The other variant to OP's suggestion mentioned in the thread is splitting the top skill brackets to a separate matchmaking pool after 1 flawless. This equals a top skill bracket reward actually being less reward incentive and a sub-optimal matchmaking experience with the same problems as outlined above. It is also a very poor answer. The correct answer is always more reward incentive, not less.

Bro I feel you,this games PvP sucks and Trials is garbage right now. Just listened to a Padcast where CammyCakes, Drewsky, Fallout, and Coolguy trashed Trials for how bad it is as a game Mode. My suggestion try another PVP shooter. I recommend Apex. This game really rewards gun skill and movement. Ability’s are strong but not over bearing or spammy like D2 right now. Just putting out there if you tired of D2 PvP

What do you think an account recovery actually is? Because I don’t know why you think your suggestion would solve the problem. Do you think a player who has gone flawless is going to pay somebody to go flawless again on their account?