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작성자: mikeyrox1234
2/13/2021 4:11:06 PM
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Shit... I’ll take a Void Turret for Sentinel...
Ungrateful ass Warlocks 😆
[spoiler]Joking obviously... kind a. But I’d definitely take a Void Turret for Sentinel. 😎[/spoiler]
Edit: After reading replies from Warlocks I take back my “joking obviously” statement. Y’all are some ungrateful ass Guardians.
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작성자: mikeyrox1234 2/13/2021 10:13:07 PMTypical Warlock... If each class uses their best Subclass things are pretty balanced but go ahead and keep screaming that Warlocks are the worst thing in the game 😁. Yes, things on Warlocks need a buff but literally every class needs a buff in some way.
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작성자: RussellMania 2/13/2021 10:36:55 PMI was just trolling initially, wasn’t actually crying about it. But you’re on drugs if you don’t see the difference in how Warlock abilities and inherent class traits are GENERALLY (yes, there’s outliers) underpowered in PvP, and how quickly they get nerfed (and OVER-NERFED, typically) in comparison to the other classes. If you think I’m just a biased Warlock main, I’m sorry to disappoint. I call it out when something is broken on Warlocks just as much as I do with other classes, even if it’s an unpopular opinion among other Warlock mains. For example, I’ve been complaining about Icarus Dash needing to have a cooldown after 1 use since the moment Bungie announced the Dawnblade buffs.
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[quote]I was just trolling initially, wasn’t actually crying about it. But you’re on drugs if you don’t see the difference in how Warlock abilities and inherent class traits are GENERALLY (yes, there’s outliers) underpowered in PvP, and how quickly they get nerfed (and OVER-NERFED, typically) in comparison to the other classes. If you think I’m just a biased Warlock main, I’m sorry to disappoint. I call it out when something is broken on Warlocks just as much as I do with other classes, even if it’s an unpopular opinion among other Warlock mains. For example, I’ve been complaining about Icarus Dash needing to have a cooldown after 1 use since the moment Bungie announced the Dawnblade buffs.[/quote] I don’t think you’re biased. You’re just a typical Warlock. Also you should never generalize... Every class has its ups and downs. Every ability has its up and downs. Every class needs a buff in some way. Yes, I believe that if each class was on their best Subclass that they would all be on equal footing. In the end though it all depends on the player...
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So what’s a “typical Warlock” if you aren’t implying I have a false belief that Warlocks are underpowered? 🤔 I don’t consider each class having at least one top tier subclass tree to be balanced if 2 of the 3 classes have several and one class has 1 or 2 options. Warlocks have almost always had either 1 top subclass tree, or none.
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작성자: mikeyrox1234 2/14/2021 12:53:00 AM[quote]So what’s a “typical Warlock” if you aren’t implying I have a false belief that Warlocks are underpowered? 🤔 I don’t consider each class having at least one top tier subclass tree to be balanced if 2 of the 3 classes have several and one class has 1 or 2 options. Warlocks have almost always had either 1 top subclass tree, or none.[/quote] I guess I am calling you biased... 😂🤷🏼♂️ but I really don’t want to call you biased and on some levels I don’t think you are because you do call out Warlocks when it’s needed... You just think everything about Warlocks is trash... that compared to other classes it’s literally bottom tier. I don’t consider it balanced either when talking broadly talking about the game but in terms of a 1v1v1 all classes would be on an equal footing. Obviously MANY things factor into that 1v1v1
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I do think Warlocks are trash generally. It has nothing to do with me being a Warlock main, I just happen to be one. I still do really well on Warlock because I’ve been playing it so long that I’ve mastered the class.
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[quote]They can’t be trash if you’re admitting you are doing well playing as one. They have issues, sure and need some buffs but trash is just hyperbolic. I’m seeing Dawnblades wreck Stasis in pvp.[/quote] That doesn’t make sense. You can still do well with a trash subclass if you’re good enough. Plus I’m typically not using the worst Warlock subclasses, rather the few that are viable. Hence why I said they’re generally trash, not completely trash. It isn’t hyperbolic to say a class is trash when there’s only 1 subclass tree (top tree Dawn) that can compete in high-level play besides Stasis which is broken in general by nature. Even if you want to include Stasis though, while again Shadebinder is inherently powerful just because it’s Stasis, it’s a HUGE step down from the other Stasis subclasses. Not to mention it was nerfed in 1 WEEK, in fact it was nerfed so hard that they had to come back and buff it again later, whereas Hunters ran amok for 2 months before having 1 of their many broken abilities nerfed, and Titans STILL haven’t been touched. Yeah, there’s no class imbalance lol.
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Except that isn’t what you said. “I still do really well on Warlock because I’ve been playing it so long that I’ve mastered the class.” Mastered the [i]class[/i]. Not ‘there is only one viable subclass’, not ‘comparing rates of nerfs to other classes somehow dictates subclass viability’ nonsense. Cause I also see Storm Callers racking up the kills. Nova bombs still popping. I find it amusing how you also switched to a much more specific qualifier, “high level play”, to benchmark viability. Which is practically arbitrary, excluding the majority of pvp game modes. When this whole time you were talking about viability in a general sense. But hey, I’m not the one complaining. So it’s not my problem to square.
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작성자: RussellMania 2/14/2021 6:22:30 PMIs you dumb or is you dumb? You’re proving my point. In general play, ANY subclass is viable. This isn’t a discussion about viability in QP, because something being viable against blueberries doesn’t necessarily mean it’s good. Can I get 30 kills with Stormcaller in QP? Yup. Can I do that a lot easier with Behemoth? You betcha. Do I have any hope of going Flawless in Trials with Stormcaller? Probably not. Behemoth? Pretty much guaranteed. Stormcaller is viable in QP, but still a handicap. In Trials, it isn’t even viable. Mastering a class means I can use it to the best of its ability, regardless of how high that ceiling is. A stormcaller playing at their ceiling is about as effective as a Behemoth reaching 75% of their ceiling. This is ad hominem because that has nothing to do with class balance. Please stop commenting on posts about PvP when you -blam!-ing suck at it and don’t understand the basic premise of what people are talking about.
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Viability means it is good. It can’t be viable if it’s bad. You don’t even understand basic terms and you say I don’t know what I’m talking about? Lol You’re complaining about Stasis being top tier, which isn’t true, ignoring the fact that sort of argument always means one subclass is better. Regardless of which one it is. So you’re just mad at dying. So you’re just whining about personal preference. Not actual balance or viability issues.
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작성자: RussellMania 2/14/2021 6:29:36 PM[quote]Viability means it is good. It can’t be viable if it’s bad. You don’t even understand basic terms and you say I don’t know what I’m talking about? Lol You’re complaining about Stasis being top tier, which isn’t true, ignoring the fact that sort of argument always means one subclass is better. Regardless of which one it is. So you’re just mad at dying. So you’re just whining about personal preference. Not actual balance or viability issues.[/quote] Viable: “capable of working successfully; feasible” Literally the exact context I was using the word in. It does not mean good. -blam!-ing graduate high school English before you accuse people of not knowing terms. Stasis isn’t top tier? Yeah, you’re -blam!-ing terrible at this game. 😂 I know you reply “You’re just mad about dying” to every post asking for balance but you should really check to make sure the person you’re talking to isn’t objectively a good PvP player before you copy and paste the same response and look like a moron. 😂 I’m far from the greatest player in the world, but certainly above average and like I said, I do well regardless of subclass. I’m just intelligent enough to see when they are lacking. You are neither of those things.
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작성자: MC 077 Lasombra 2/14/2021 6:46:49 PMSo you’re going to say on the one hand the other subclasses are successful yet on the other hand say they aren’t good. That’s a joke isn’t it? Since when is something that isn’t good considered successful? Lol It isn’t. I’ve seen it countered while playing, read plenty of posts from people learning how to counter it and plenty of vids with people countering it. Ramroding no thumbs with it doesn’t make it top tier. Stats isn’t an argument. Why you people thinking hiding behind them makes a valid counter argument is beyond me. So now you’re saying you do well regardless of subclass when you just said before it was only with Dawnblade? You can’t seem to make up your mind. I never said the subclasses were perfect. You made that up to run your mouth. After contradicting yourself several times. That’s why I only need to copy and paste ‘you don’t like dying’ cause that’s all you people are crying over. So much for being intelligent. 🤦
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...what? [spoiler]In all seriousness though, I’d advocate for like an exotic that has a similar effect to Icefall Mantle (minus a mobility drop), and replace the barricade with a little turret buddy. Like Arc Soul outside it’s rift for Titans. Sentinel or Sunbreaker IMO. [/spoiler]
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Synergy yes but IMO Warlocks having a slide ability to shatter doesn’t fit their kit. That’s why I believe something more, let’s say, fancy and elegant would be more fitting. Example: Icarus Dash for Stasis Warlock that can shatter Stasis crystals.
