and if im correct, unless your account is an alt, you don’t even play the -blam!-ing game. don’t talk.

are you shit at the game? I just said warlocks have the highest skill ceiling. They have the potential to be the best class in the game due to having the most skillful subclass in the game: top tree dawnblade. Numbers don’t say shit, when most of the playerbase is garbage anyways.

[quote]pov: youre a cunter who has never not once had to struggle in pvp because youre bungies special -blam!-[/quote] Full blown salty tantrum. Wow. Embarrassing.

Tier ranked subclasses are completely opinion based. For hunter, I find almost the whole golden gun subclass useless, MAYBE apart from bottom tree, but there are still way better options. I would never use top tree arcstrider in pvp, I would never use either tether subclasses in pvp, only spectral. That gives hunter 2-3 BEST OPTIONS, including stasis, with spectral blades, bottom tree arcstrider, and stasis as your best options. For titan, I find top tree striker useless, and middle tree is a push because its a shutdown super. Basically all void subclass options are close to useless, and I would never consider them. For solar, hammers CAN be nice, but requires some build attention to make it the best that it can be. Stasis is a no brainer, so thats always good. That gives titans maybe 2 or 3 competitive subclass options, depending on if you want to play hammers. Finally, warlocks, which are apparently really bad, but in my opinion are on par with the other 2 classes. Stasis seems to be the most controversial for warlocks, and it does seem to be particularly less powerful than the other 2 stasis subclasses, but is STILL an option I would consider in more competitive pvp modes. Almost all void subclass trees are useless. If I ever decided to go with void, it would have to be nova warp, but even then its kinda underwhelming. For arc, chaos reach has very good neutral game and top tree arc also feels really good. For solar, dawnblade is the only no brainer, I couldn’t see myself using well or bottom tree ever. This gives warlocks stasis (which is still not bad, even being supposedly worse than other classes due to less cheese I guess), top tree dawnblade, and subclasses in arc that I would consider far from D tier. Basically all classes have their strong subclasses, and weak ones. I find it stupid to call subclasses such as the arc ones on warlock weak, just because there are far better options. If I were to rate top tree arc and middle tree arc, they would probably fall into B tier. All classes have around 2-3 strong suits, the rest are either mediocre or trash.

funny joke, just play off the fact that they have the highest skill ceiling.

Most top players still think top tree dawn blade is the best subclass simply for the movement. Now I'm not trying to say glacier nade+dive combo isn't cheesey, rather that its comparable to complainging about Joutun. That being said I think the ease of use of the combo is what will get it nerfed sort of like hand held super nova.

lol I play Titan and Hunter I don’t really notice anything op on warlock apart from top tree dawn that’s bout it. And I no problem with top tree damn Stasis on warlock is trash IMO of what I’ve seen in the crucible and played in crucible

Probably because warlocks don't have as much easy cheese with their stasis, especially after the nerfs. Warlocks miss out on a vital part of stasis, being able to shatter. Yes the melee is an instant freeze, but hunters and titans can instant freeze with grenades. Hunters Moreso with their "wombo Combo" of dusk fields and the melee for an easy freeze. A melee that is, technically on a 15 second cooldown And combo them with shatter abilities Shatter abilities that can take out supers and add to neutral game. Versatility is the name of the game here