Dude if you're having trouble with ads in raids.... I think you should spend more time practicing with EDZ mobs before stepping into the raid. Xbox player btw

Yes and we all know why and comments reflect that. Datto is in the .000000000000000000001 percent of the playerbase who use this game as their source of primary revenue. We shouldn't be trying to sugar coat this and I applaud you for bringing this to the front. I left this game due to the way it was going and the fact that I couldn't stand the 100-level seasonal mess with hardly any story updates. To listen to content creators is one thing wrt suggestions, just like from any player, but to then go and dev based on the suggestions from content creators is another thing, and not a good thing. Most regular players want to have fun while playing and they don't want to be so frustrated that they give up. Bungie has moved down this path and now players are suffering for it. I've completed some of the raids, not many, but they were back in the early days. Just go and look at the raid completion vs player base over the years and you'll see what I mean. I shouldn't have to find a ringer group of people in order to beat it. A group shouldn't be punished if one or two persons has a hard time learning the mechanics, plus, we shouldn't have to "study" and watch hours of vids in order to be included in a raid group. The whole raid system is flawed because Bungie decided to dev content based on content creator input. It's wrong.

You guys know the next raid is going to have bullet sponge adds and take longer than Last Wish to clear because of people like this, best get ready for it. The more accessible a game's endgame is, the healthier the long term life of it is. Blizzard has been cheerfully wrecking the end game accessibility of World of Warcraft to the point of insanity just to cater to this mindset. The now shut down MMO Wildstar was built on the principle of making it hard as hell, and it never recovered from 90% of its player base walking away. There is a good argument to make that DSC might be undertuned because of a lack of testing time due to the pandemic: FFXIV's current raid tier, single player trial, and dungeon are notably easier than the previous tier, and that's likely due to difficulties with playtesting. While Blizzard has been ludicrous in making the endgame harder of late, the heroic difficulty (second hardest) of the new raid was notably harder than it usually is. Tuning endgame content is probably a nightmare to do at the moment. But arguing that the raids need to be so hard only a tiny percentage can complete them has been proven, historically, to be a death blow to the long term health of a game. I don't expect a lot of agreement, mind, but it's true.

personally i agree with him. But different people of different skill levels play this game, so it's no fair to call an objective difficulty

I like mechanics in raids. I like them because to me a raid is about TEAMWORK and the ability to work together to meet the objective. I do realize that most of the casual raiding community doesn't agree with that position and they don't like heavy mechanics and just want to kill ads and plow through to the end. (In my mind that is a strike, not a raid). I have well over 1000 (full run, no cheese ) d2 raid clears with 316 sherpa runs so I think I have a good perspective on what it means to raid as well as what it takes to teach raids. I do like the new raid a lot. Yes, its mechanics are definitely easier than say the Riven final boss (legit) fight but it's still a lot of fun. I consider it along the lines of Crota or perhaps a Lair in that you can do a full run in half hour pretty easily. Here's the thing, they can't ALL be super long complicated raids and they can't ALL be super short easy raids. I like a mix so people can choose and more of the community gets a chance to raid. What I DON'T like is them removing raids! I like having a wide variety to pick from because some days you want easy and some days you want the challenge. I also don't like that they don't fix most of the cheeses. If you are going to pick a challenging raid then you shouldn't be able to completely bypass a boss fight (I'm looking at all you Riven cheesers!) So in a sense, Datto is right that this particular DSC raid is on the easy side. But not all of the raids are easy and I do believe there needs to be this mix so that more of the community engages in the content that they spend a lot of time developing. If they are all overly complicated / difficult then you end up with less than 10% of the community playing them.... and that's just not good. Bottom line, I'm a raider... for as long as I play this game I will be a raider. Be they hard or easy, I will be running them A LOT. I'm not really the player that Bungie needs to worry about engaging... and frankly I don't think the streamers are either. I think the players they need to worry about are the ones that really WANT to raid but run into various roadblocks. Sometimes those are the complexity of raid mechanics and sometimes it's just not being able to find a good team. In that regard, bungie SERIOUSLY should consider [b]completely revamping[/b] the Guided Games system. It has such potential... but they really dropped the ball on it. TL,DR; Raiders gonna raid no matter what the difficulty. Bungie should decide if they want raids to be inclusive or exclusive to the rest of the community. I think they are trying to find a happy medium but you are never going to please everyone all of the time.

Spire of Stars was my most favorite raid despite community hate for it. And that raid was considered the hardest raid because it was full of timers. Take out the Wardcliff cheese, its an amazing fight. Ever since that raid, all raids have gotten progressively easier to carry players. Partially because bungie just gives us the guns to stomp on the new raids. Lament and Divinity is evident of that. As for the Warmind build, it isnt as meta as you think. I just run a drang side arm for the entirety of DSC raid.

If they are so easy why can’t he get a worlds first?

Remember when Redeem got bored with raids and they started having fun choosing random load outs to make the raid more challenging? Let the players enjoy the raids (considering such an anemic size of the population for dies them) and add challenge and hard modes again to satisfy the streamers. Simple solution.

I know this is a death sentence to say on these smooth brain forums but I have to agree with Datto, raids are too easy lol.

SOOOO many people here didn’t even watch the video and it shows. He literally talks about people doing exactly what they are doing in the comments 😂 Y’all just hate to hate, you don’t even give others a chance to explain themselves One of the main points of the video was: Why are enemies in Gambit more of a threat then enemies in the raid!!

I don't understand why not make it challenging for himself? Odd example but it's what I'm used to, people in the Pokemon community who find the games too easy made nuzlocke and added rules they chose to give themselves a challenge. I seriously don't understand why these streamers aren't doing this if it's too easy.