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12/6/2020 3:22:11 PM
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Stasis nerf is unfair to warlocks.
Warlocks get freeze nerfed to 1 second. Yet both other classes get to keep an almost 5 second freeze? How is that fair? Warlocks don’t even have time to swap to another weapon before other player breaks free and is unharmed w full shield.
Talk about broken, u nerf warlocks freeze time. But let hunters that r built for mobility to slow enemies for 15 seconds.....and a super that lingers and tracks players for 30 seconds
Then a Titan that can slide 15 meters at a glitched speed. Then add a synthoceps to melee another 15 meters after the slide that looks like a time warp.
Fix ur game bungo. And if ur going to nerf an ability that all classes have. Then nerf the ability on all classes.
And to the guy that wants to chime in w “ they said they are fixing things” tell ur mother to get u a slice of meatloaf. No one wants to hear opinions from someone that lives in their mommy’s basement. Get a job
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2 답변As a warlock main myself I think we totally deserved a nerf in such a scale, we were insanely OP. I think hunters are in an "okayish" spot. The super tornado is extremely easy to dodge. You are dead through the first throw, but so were you if they used blade barrage instead. I never even got slowed once by the dodge, maybe it only really impacts shotgun apes. But titans could get tweaked a bit with his melee. I think its purpose shouldn't be to make you able to be so agile.
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2 답변All classes should be equal in terms of how long they can freeze pvp players, EZ mode hunter and titans freeze last for ages.
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20 답변Why... do you guys... keep ignoring... that BOTH OTHER CLASSES TAKE 2 ABILITIES TO FREEZE 🤦♂️ God how come 90% of Warlock players lack thumbs?
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10 답변Only your melee has a second frezee. And the tracking nade that you can switch out. Your melee got nefed couz the other two classes dont have the same style of a insta win button. Titans cant freze and the melee is only good for movement. Hunters get the two annoying knives but you need two hitting you to kill you.
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4 답변Damn...alright, let’s settle this straight, cause I see this war over the Warlock stasis, and I see everyone throwing blame at one another like it’s a game of tag. So, I’ll just leave my input here on how the melee could be fixed. Increase the range of the melee from 16m to 20m (It was 24 before it was nerfed. That way, Warlocks gain back some range, but the melee won’t feel like it’s going halfway across the map. And also so that it can be a little more useful in PvE.) Decrease the speed of the melee (don’t know how fast the melee goes, but I would argue lowering it’s speed by, like, 15% could allow more leeway for those who complain about how fast the melee goes to better get away from it) Any thoughts?
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13 답변So ignoring all of the blatant exaggerations about the other classes. The warlock nerf was fair. All (non super) freeze on contact abilities got nerfed. Those were: Cold snap Penumbral blast Ice flare Notice how warlocks just happened to basically be the only class with freeze on contact abilities? That’s why it felt like a warlock targeted nerf. Warlocks have a ton of 1 button freeze options (melee, rift, killing a frozen player) where as hunter and titan freezing requires combination attacks of some sort. (Double shuriken, nade + melee) So it only makes sense that the warlocks MUCH EASIER AND FASTER freeze options don’t also freeze for the same amount of time.
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As a Warlock main, the insta freeze melee was completely OP and broken. If you can’t kill a frozen target within that window I don’t know what to say, every primary kills in less then 1 second and the melee itself hurts them. You should have ZERO issue killing those that are frozen unless there’s others around them or your peaking around corners and using it (Which you should still be able to get the kill)
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Personally I think freeze simply shouldn’t exist outside of super in Crucible. Besides that point, it’s fair because the melee is the only instant freeze ability with virtually no counter play. Hunters and Titans simply do not have a comparable ability (no the Hunter melee does not count—two charges or a charge and a dodge is much more than one charge). Warlocks still have access to Glacier and Duskfield grenades which still provide the full freeze duration while also having additional abilities to freeze through Penumbral Blast and Iceflare Bolts. If freezing was exclusive to supers in PvP, then they can undo the myriad of nerfs to the Warlock class, but even now it is still a highly competitive subclass. Look I don’t like that they nerfed it so much, as a Warlock main, but it’s still a very powerful class in PvE and PvP and the nerfs were certainly justified.
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1 답변작성자: Ghostfire239 12/7/2020 2:09:30 PMDude you have plenty of time to swapped to another weapon. All weapons have a sub 1s TTk. No weapon has a 1.35s+ ready speed. Hell I’ve frozen people with it and had enough time to do a quick bag before killing them (I only tbag those that tbag me). The only difference between now and before the nerf is that I don’t do as many tbags. So if you can’t kill someone within that time that’s on you. As for why Hunters and Titans can get a 5s freeze. That’s because we can’t instantly freeze someone with our melee. If Bungie makes our melees instantly freeze too then by all means give them the exact same nerf as the Warlock. The Hunter slow lasts about 5s at most (from the melee). The supers tornado lasts 15s and the tornado moves slower than Slowva Bomb and requires the enemy to be in the centre for it to really do anything to them. You can literally WALK away from it You’re over exaggerating everything.
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21 답변The warlock melee ability is what had the nerf Titans cant freeze with their melee and hunters require 2 melee charges to freeze 1 target Warlocks can INSTANTLY freeze targets Coldsnap was nerfed across the board This nerf is 200% fair you should be happy that your ability can still freeze people.
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4 답변작성자: Navigneas 12/7/2020 3:14:41 AMAll classes have their freeze duration turned down. At this point, if anything, Warlocks are pampered. Titan can only freeze reliably with one grenade, the glacier one. They just have that, and their super, to freeze anything. Hunters have the same grenades and also shurikens that will freeze slowed ennemies. Warlock not only have the same grenades, they also have a freeze melee, and a freeze rift. Not only do they have 4 buttons to freeze and get the whispers actives( 3 hunters, 2 titans), they also have one more whispers available to chose from. Hunters and titans can only select 3 out of 6. Talking about the freeze, not only do warlock have 4 buttons to freeze, each time they freeze something, a seeker will try to freeze anything else. So, on that, stop crying warlocks, you have the best stasis subclass, you just need to stop thinking melees are about fighting that sniper over there. Edit : Abilities freeze are 1.35, super are still 5. Because they are... Supers.
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8 답변Hunters can slow an opponent for 4 seconds with an aspect, 2 without. Cold snap nerf applies to all guardians. Warlocks still possess the most ways to freeze enemies. Lingering Tornado from super is abysmally slow. If you wish to rant at least do so without exaggerating.
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11 답변They didn’t just make warlocks have 1 second freezes they made abilities that were easy to use only freeze for a second which is why coldsnap got nerfed on every class. You can still get the 4-5 second freezes with glacier and duskfield. If you cant kill a guardian that cant move or damage you while they’re almost half health in one second thats on you.
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A majority of the Warlock nerfs were deserved and most of the subclass still functions quite well. The only unnecessary change was nerfing the melee range by nearly half which makes it almost as bad as Ball Lightning. [quote] And to the guy that wants to chime in w “ they said they are fixing things” tell ur mother to get u a slice of meatloaf.[/quote] Oddly specific. [quote]No one wants to hear opinions from someone that lives in their mommy’s basement. Get a job[/quote]Sounds like projection.
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Yup I don't even have the expansion but Bungie totally singled out the warlocks. Every stasis subclass is over powered and broken and needs major nerfs but Bungie decided to only nerf warlocks in several areas and not touch hunters or Titans at all? That's some bull shit right there. Thats warlock descriminatin. Warlock lives matter damnit! Lol. Bungie is racist towards warlocks.
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The melee range is the only bit that annoys me but that could be remedied by allowing it to proc from any range up to where it sits now, with the normal melee lunge the proc window is very small. I don't mind the close range as it suits a follow up shatter better just wish the empowered melee could proc face to face.
