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12/1/2020 3:19:52 AM
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again, a twitter post and some web lore. absence of other announcements does not for any reason shove the info in your face. it’s not in game lore. not in any way shoved into your face. you don’t have to look at it if it scares you that much:
you’d be surprised how much representation in media helps people who’ve been historically oppressed, or are a minority. this is especially true given the harassment many lgbtq people still get simply based on their orientation or identity. normalization helps them feel accepted by society, regardless of your opinions of how valid a method that is, and can help normalize being lgbtq for other, less tolerant people, preventing harassment.
it is 70 countries, and some first world ones as well. freedom of speech is legal in dozens of other countries, unless you’re referring to the ability to say anything at all, in which case it’s zero countries. that, however, has no bearing on this conversation.
it’s abrupt yeah. but if they had made it a straight relationship, you’d have absolutely 0 problems with it. you wouldn’t say there’s an agenda, or anything like that. simply because it’s a gay relationship (which, shocker, ACTUALLY HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE, quite often), you have a problem with it.
essentially, have a problem with the relationship in general, not that it’s a gay one. absolutely nothing wrong with that all, and let’s not pretend there is
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Throw everything out the window because it’s all irrelevant but you need to look up what “quite often” generally means. Quite often I think would refer to a large amount. The last Gallup Poll conducted in 2017 shows that 4.5% of adults identified at LGBT. So maybe that numbers gone up and I doubt it’s even close to 10% but even if it is you mean to tell me that 10,000 out of 1,000,000 is quite often? I couldn’t care any less about LGBT or whatever the new thing is. You do you. Go have fun however you want I don’t give a f***. I have a problem when people cater to the minor minority. I have a problem when you make a choice to do something that’s supporting such a super small number of people in favor or supporting the vast majority. And to be clear I would give a s*** if they were straight either. It’s the fact that you have to make it a point to say something. What you’re saying that it’s a tweet and some lore, ok if it’s so minor why do it at all? Either do it all the way or don’t do it at all. It’s typical Bungo they halfass everything. It’s all a gimmick/stunt otherwise it would have been done right. They could have done something in game, or more official. It should be upsetting to everyone that they are halfassing it. Either you’re part of that community and they are doing something but JUST barely, just enough to say look we did a thing which would be offensive to me. Basically “playing the gay card” but not all in for some lame attempt at who knows. Or why are you making them gay? But there’s no straight heroes, where are they? Honestly no one should support this because it’s not enough or equal.
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Its just pandering, its comoletely unnecessary to treat a game that is not at all supposed to be related to any social leniency in any way because its an escape, the game should be the game, the way it is, no small little adjustments for either side just to make a few people happy with things they should not be looking for in a game for acceptance, this is not supposed to be the safe space social study experiment venue for these values, looking for acceptance in a digital world only gives artificial results, wont solve anything, the real solution to acceptance lues in the real world and within yourself, leave the political correctness out of the game, leave it up to imagination and let us all enjoy the game for what it is instead of this forced artifial pandering for acceptance in a game world where acceptance relies on your own imagination and creativeness
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including a gay relationship isn’t political correctness, it’s literally just an accurate representation of life. people are gay. and it’s not even in the game. it’s two pieces of web lore and a tweet. you don’t have to look at it at all if it scares you
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Who's accurate representation? Everyones version of that differs, whats normal to you might not be normal to the next person, his version of right might not be your version of right and vice versa, yet theres a thing like freedom of speech and everyone has a right to there opinion and by stating which one is normal and which one is not your tipping the scale, thats why im saying its unnecessary in a game world, opinions differ and no one is right but is entitled to their opinion whether its offensive or not, its imposing a certain world view on everyone and everyone whether they agree with inclusion or not has a right to stand for it or not but that doesnt make them wrong, its a virtue thing, a inclusive thing not a given and also not a necessity
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gay people exist and have relationships. that is a fact. therefore the inclusion of them accurately represents that aspect of real life: that some people have relationships other than straight ones. it’s not an opinion based topic. people having gay relationships is a fact.
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So then they are included in rl, why is it absolutely necessary in a game where not everyone agrees with it, why do they have a right to their beliefs by default just ffor inclusion and not the other side of the spectrum, if its about fairness we missed the nail by a mile
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the other side of the spectrum being straight people? straights are included. shaxx and cayde both have actual in game lore of their heterosexual interactions with others. and being gay isn’t a life choice, it’s how people are born. refusing inclusion because some don’t “agree” with your sexual orientation is the same as refusing inclusion because some don’t “agree” with your skin color: it’s how you are born. you have no control over it, and there is nothing negative about it additionally, if we’re asking why lgbtq people need to be included if they’re already included in real life, then why straight people? why any group of people? seriously, use some -blam!-ing logic
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No skin color and culture is absolutely not the same, thats race, not a personal view, not comprable in anyway and i dont have to feel guilty just because my view doesnt align with yours, just the same way you dont have to feel guilty if your world view doesnt align with mine, thats the beauty of freedom, no one can impose on what you decide you want to believe, whether you agree with it or not, whether you think its inclusive or not
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i’m gonna say it one more time. being gay isn’t a choice. we have as much control over our skin color as we do our sexual orientation. you didn’t choose to be straight, and gay people didn’t choose to be gay. that’s not a worldview or personal view: it’s a scientific fact. an opinion is only valid if it’s based on fact, which yours are not. facts don’t care about your beliefs
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Strangely enough as far as ive been toight scientifically, male genetalia indicates the species is a male and the same for female gender, it depends on what science? Psychology or actual physical, biology and chemistry....?
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this is sexual orientation, not gender. additionally, sex and gender are different. biological sex refers to hormones, genitalia, physical features, etc. gender, commonly regarded as a spectrum by the foremost experts in the field, refers to the expression behaviors, and role of said person in society. often used interchangeably, but both mean very different things
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Listen we dont agree and thats okay, like i said it doesnt make neither of us wrong.... Im sure you and everyone else here are awesome people but we are allowed to dissagree with eachother, lets just leave it at that, have a good one😊👍
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psychology doesn’t cover love. it covers the workings of the mind, such as emotions, behaviors, and, in this case, gender. if you sincerely believe you are more intelligent than the entire scientific community, than i think you might want to see a psychologist. they cover mental illnesses too
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Not in social science, anyone can lie on a sensus or survey, psychology maybe a little bit but that research also relies on peoples honesty theres no absolute way to prove what a person feels or thinks except by asking them, like i said some might be truthfull some might not as to actual chemical physical and biological science thats a different story and bioligy tells me male is male and female is female, as to what the person feels they are or believe they are thats entirely not up to me and i wont judge them, but allow me my freedom of opinion since i allow you yours
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this is sexual orientation, not gender. we are talking about a persons preferred partner, not their gender. disregarding the entire field of psychology because people can lie is totally irrational. in “physical” science, scientists running the experiment or analysis can lie, so by your logic, we should discredit all science.
