Most of you should [u]actually[/u] read the full changes

Weren’t you guys all angry about how good it was? How “unplayable” pvp was because of how good the class was? They needed it like everyone asked and now people cry about it. Guess you can’t make everyone happy

Wtf? Remove this bullshit asap! It's unplayable right now! What are u even doing bungie? Do you even play the game yourself? Half of the round I'm stuck and can't move because of this stupid ass ability. What a nonsense. Balance this f...... game

Completely agree. Melee feels impractical to use now. Why can’t warlocks ever have anything nice?

I mean you guys got every aspect of your super nerfed and it's still 10x better than hunter. Stop crying. It's still the best class in the game, next to maybe top tree dawn, which is a contender, both Warlock I might add.

What are I talking about dude? It is way more op then either of the other two subclasses, being able to freeze someone all t way across the map and kill them was horse shit! The titan super requires picking your battles and the hunter, well it’s a no aim blade barrage piece of shit, u know, because a hunter gotta have his crutches! But yeah, dude I agree the warlock supers are underwhelming but having one completely over the top was a bit much!

The warlock class was never intended/designed for long term investment by players.[spoiler]sometimes facts are are uncomfortable and confusing [/spoiler]

Personally I’m alright with the changes, [b]BUT[/b] I do have a suggestion. [u][b]Stasis[/b][/u] | [u][b]Melee[/b][/u] | [u][b]Penumbral Blast[/b][/u] • Holding the melee for 1.0s will channel it for 1.3s, Releasing the melee (while channeling) will Increase its tracking capabilities and range from 17 Meters to 28, & Increase the freeze duration on impact. • Tapping the melee will fire a traditional orb, that slows combatants on impact. The orb travels slower & reaches a max of 17 meters.

i dont get why warlocks freeze features was cut from 4 to 1 second ish, yet titans and hunters can still freeze people for 4 seconds? that makes no sense at all!! but seeing as this is bungie and how crap they are, should have known! i'm a titan, not a warlock, but it seems suss and unfair to me!

[quote]Changes would have been fine fine, nerfing every part of a new kit and leaving the other classes untouched is not good balance.[/quote] Okay, let me tell you that shadebinder is still one of the stronger subclasses in the game. Penumbral blast was downgraded from mid-range to slightly-longer-than-shotgun range. It’s AoE still makes it one of the more dangerous melees to get hit by thanks to the ability to incapacitate a player for 1.35 seconds, which in a team fight can end up being an advantage. Iceflare bolts only makes that even more of a hazard depending on how competent teammates are at prioritizing, and if they have that aspect on as well. While not as absurd, Winter’s wrath is a super to be cautious of. Getting frozen is a near-guaranteed death sentence when the evil dubstep drops the bass. Coldsnap grenades are an all-class nerf. Nothing surprising there regarding it being the homing grenade. So even with the nerfs, the subclass is still dangerous in the right hands.

I mean, you guys still got three fragment slots. Us Titans have one. One.

Man this is garbage I just based my whole pve build around the melee cause it was the one good thing about the new subclass imo the super was good but you had to pick and choose where to fire it wasn't that great of a super honestly you get more kills on a tintan or hunter easy but no just don't dail back the damage to bosses or target pvp just blam the whole class into the dirt thank you

The only bad nerf in my opinion was the nerf to the melee's range. It has a sweet spot of activation and can't be activated in close quarters. This nerf makes it a lot harder to manage that sweet spot and still likely hit someone. Not to mention it makes the melee feel incredibly clunky to use in pve. Personally I think the freeze should be two seconds instead of 1.35. But my main complaint is the melee range/speed nerfs.

Lmao you gonna be mad but there's still nonsense that needs to be adjusted. Still dying through walls from the shockwave. That needs to be handled.

Wholeheartedly agree there, I play all 3 character classes so I don't main anyone so I say this the melee range you adjusted you slightly overdid it. The range went from 28m to 16m The shotgun is 10m Chaperone can crack between 12m and 14m Slugs can also crack at that range I believe Bungie the better option would have been between 23 and 19 Also, the speed of it should be fast enough to hit the target but also to be able to be avoided if said player is paying attention when it is shot at them. The point of a warlock is long-range that's the way the character is built Titan is built for close-range and even mid-range for some of its attacks and abilities Hunter is built for all-rounder close and long-range as well as a bit of mid-range Each class should have its pros and cons but none should be made obsolete Each class should have an advantage over one another but to where the advantage isn't labeled or consider op nor broken just enough for it to feel balanced. Devs if you guys can't balance confidently then why not try to ask community members or have sign up like the insider program across all platforms to volunteer to test these things before you send them in-game or possibly. Why not take a note of the way the devs that work on MCC do it with something similar to the insider program but with destiny perhaps. They do the MCC flights in which it lets things be tested by the community before there initialized into the actual game. A group of selected members tests certain things the devs are thinking about putting in-game and or changing and the select members play and relay the necessary feedback needed to further the experience. Just a suggestion In a game like this balance is definitely needed when it comes to these classes otherwise it's just a handicap.

"Warlocks" really needed the Nerf since beyond light release. They were way to fast on stasis super an the freeze time lasted way to long with no way to break away. Next "Hunters" needs a nerf in their stasis ability, their duration last too long. "Titans" - Stasis super needs a nerfs too, stasis "over-shield".

I haven’t played the new expansion yet. So take my response with a grain of sand. If the the new warlock subclass was overturned then that’s on bungie. Why does it seem that it takes the community to essentially beta these things. If they can’t be bothered to test their own game it would be better if they just released as limp noodle versions of themselves and tune things up rather than down. The fact they couldn’t foresee this super being op shows they do t play their own game or do t play it at the level of those that find the optimal way to use things. All in all, pretty sad for a dev to not now how their players will use things after 6 years.

Warlock main here: I MIGHT DO THE ENTIRE BEYOND LIGHT CAMPAIGN AGAIN ON TITAN BECAUSE THIS NERF WAS SO DANG HEAVY OH I KNOW LETS GIVE ICEFLARE BOLTS 1 SECOND FREEZE TIME