You talk about the player base being bad yet you’re a 1.11 in Trials. The sandbox team in D1 had Jon Weisnewski and Josh Hamrick, who are responsible for the cluster-blam!- that was D2 Y1. They’re also responsible for the special ammo changes in D1 Y3 that killed the game. The sandbox is in the best state it has ever been in.

They don’t have an actual PvP team anymore. And PvP was worse when they did. It comes down to Bungie not having a focus on making PvP good, therefore the people hired to be in charge of it are unqualified.

destiny 2's pvp is miles better than d1. you can use any weapon and have success, in d1 the meta shifts were so brutal you had to use the specific architype or you'd get bodied every engagement

rehire the D1 [i]map[/i] team ngl the only good destiny 2 maps are the ones from destiny 1

I used to think this way, and then I met players who I meshed well with, and our chemistry is on point. I play horribly when I'm alone. When I'm with at least two of them, we can run the table, and my k/d or efficiency will easily triple. It's not always about how you play, but who you play with that can make the difference

Nobody's listening. PvP isn't fun and there's a number of reasons why. If you are one of the few really good players, it might be a blast. But the rest of us are not having fun. The special ammo economy is busted. There's so many cheeses and borderline exploits and tons of lag and network manipulation. And add to that team balancing and matchmaking discrepancies and it just combines into a smelly cesspool of rotten canal water!

D1 year 1 was awesome. Sure there were broken things that needed to be addressed. But without the broken exotic hand cannons, vex mythoclast, and suros regime I actually enjoyed the sandbox during that time. I remember actually doing well with blue weapons. I hopped in pvp before I got my first legendary. Sure I was still facing an uphill battle against the better weapons of that time but I still did good. That's why I loved d1 year 1. After that pvp started to get frustrating.

Yes so we can get sticky grenades that can kill you in one hit

People seem to look back at D1 pvp wearing rose-tinted glasses I think. D1 pvp from day one was no less plagued with genuine problems than D2 has been. In fact I’d argue that the issues with D1 pvp were far more pronounced and long term than D2s. D2s also get fixed, for the most part, in a more timely matter. D2 has only had a handful of OP weapon issues in pvp, regardless of what the endless mindless screeching by a vocal minority would suggest. Generally speaking most weapons that are decried as OP here are really just fractionally unbalanced. Not only that, but most of those weapons are readily accessible and equippable by any player, should they choose to attain it. It’s not D1s days of of Thorn, Suros, Last Word, etc which were each game breakingly powerful at some stage but were all impossible to actually obtain in there heyday, resulting in a case of “haves and have-nots”. Whereas for the most part with D2, the best pvp weapons and perks are obtainable by farming specific activities. There’ll always be weapons that are better than others in pvp for a few months until the next big balance pass, then others will take their place. Always was in D1, always will be in D2. At least this time around players don’t have to try on blind luck to get them. Nor are they so game-breakingly powerful that players feel forced to use them just to compete.

We look at D1 with rose colored lenses now, but at the time while there were some great aspects to D1 pvp, there was also a huge amount of things we didn’t like.

D1 🤣 thorn, vex myth, tlw, not getting a shotgun for the first few months, party crasher, matador, trials weapons. D1 had a lot more meta weapons that lasted a lot longer than d2 meta weapons.. also you had blinking hunters, you had self res warlocks... d2 pvp is a lot better Signed Been there got the T-shirt

[quote]My son is 10 and he does quite well. But he’d rather play other games. [/quote] This. Same here. My son used to be eager to play Destiny. Now he rather plays other games.

I don't think they even have an actual PvP team anymore. Most of the people who do work on it probably have 10 other things that they are responsible for and PvP is just another activity in a sea of activities. IMO somebody who works there has got to know what would create a more PvP-like PvP experience. Its just a conscious decision not to and they must feel like the return on time and resource investment isn't worth it.