I'm so confused why everyone seems to think this is a binary issue when there are other solutions available. 1. Put a region lock button. Turn it on for less laggy matches with people in your region. Turn it off if you want to play with a friend that is not near you. Easy. 2. Only match region locked players with a SBMM system. There is no need for CBMM if the connections are regional. I know its not a fix all due to server locations and other speed factors. At least this would cause less issue. Crucible isn't so derelict that there are not enough players on to make a system like this work.

A) just because it’s a stack doesn’t mean they’re all good players. I’ve beaten stacks as a solo player many times. B) punish people for leaving mid game, the only reason you’re being put in that situation is from people throwing in the towel. C) learn the spawns, teams spawn trap other teams often to take advantage of the game D) after the game, back out so you don’t keep queuing them. Pretty simple, you can see who you’re queuing up against before you load in so you have a chance to back out first (This applies to stacks also) E) 100% cheaters need to be addressed sooner rather than later.

My issue is thus, I make no bones about even being average, I am middle aged, and use a controller so in reality am never likely to be any good, I think I AM 0.9 or something and most of that is due to catalyst farming in mom control so dying far more. Sbmm was a god send for me, made it possible to enjoy pvp, HAVE close matches with similar level guys where even I got the odd 30 kill game, led my team, consistently was top 3. I am now always last, quit frequently, average about 8 kills and only touch pvp when I have to, bungo basically removed me from pvp as its just endless dying with the odd kill, thanks. I can't get better much, so let me enjoy it again instead of making an entire game mode about the better players ONLY.

I basically agree with everything you said. Bungie will look at their stats and as long people are wining around 45% of their matches they are happy. CBMM is stupid. Full Stop Great players scanning all these threads and try to bully anyone into silence. Fact is good players should never be in the same match as weak players and average player. It doesn't matter if I win or lose but i matters how I lose. When i get my bunghole -blam!- 3 times in a row by sweaty 6 stacks i turn off the game. Arguments like: "you get better" are not wrong but in order to get better there needs to be a constant to develop a learning curve, you need to be able to see your progress in numbers as a positive reinforcement. Nobody with a KDA of 1.2 will become a 2.5 player and when you range between 13-20 kills per game that is where you can focus on to get better. When I get 20 kills and in the next game 7 something isn't right. There need to be 2 groups to protect the weaker players and if the player base is too thin for that then reduce the game modes. The way it is right now, players literally suffer and will turn off the game and I am pretty sure Bungie doesn't want that being in direct competition with Cyberpunk in November. Players will stop playing.

I wish we could see the lobby we are joining during quickplay matches. During Banner, I can see that I matching a stacked team. I back out, and re-queue until there is nothing over a three stack in there. Not sure why that is possible for Banner but not in any other playlist.

I'd like to see two mixed playlist, one SBMM and one CBMM. I'd like to see better match making, especially in Comp where the stakes are higher.

cbmm at its finest

But if it was a fair match then the game would be boring. One of the basic argument from those who live in pvp. Another one is get good. Or spelled git gud. Some players refuse to have the game fair and balanced.

A great solution to spawncamping would be to remove the small ass maps in rotation. Dead Cliffs, Cauldron, Gambler's Ruin, and that other moon map I can't remember the name to, are just not big enough for 6v6. Most of these maps are too small for 4v4 too.

My problem is that this isn't SBMM vs CBMM, because there is no such thing as CBMM. Their idea of CBMM is just no matchmaking at all. I'm playing people outside my skill level, sure. But I'm also playing people in totally different COUNTRIES too. The lag in crucible is insanely bad and has never been this bad in destiny 2 EVER.

I don't like 40min queues... I would prefer 6 stack sweats then long ass queues.

I'm so -blam!-in tired of having to play this dogshit. Get one shot out of supers im over the bullshit. But they lock gear behind. So you have to play it. Just pisses me the -blam!- off every damn time