I'm enjoying it when it works, but more often than not I'm getting 4 or 5 stacks against blues or people just drop and nobody ever joins the disadvantaged team.

I'm going to play survival to have a break from QP😂 I take it back, first game other team went to two players, on purpose and we got smashed! One guy chickened out. Then another left and I held my own but lost. People who leave are weak. This is my foray game of survival on 0 points. Just want to have some fun.

Is it really as bad as people are making out? I’ve only played the 4 games for the weekly pinnacle reward for this week.

They could of dedicated clash and left control for casuals or people who what to enjoy crucible. There’s a few modes that the sweats can play , trials , survival and IB. Well will be interesting now when quests come out with a pvp component. There has to be balance for everyone as it’s a pve and pvp game .

I hate it. I get killed by architects all the time now

I do know: I hate CBMM! Crucible is the main reason I was still playing Destiny. I have been playing since D1 and I have bought every single D1 and D2 expansion. I truly used to love this game. Now tough, with Sunsetting, horrible Crucible matchmaking, and each new expansions being just one pointless and boring grind after another, I am seriously considering not buying next release. Especially if they don't bring back SBMM in casual Crucible, since that is what I play the most. No point in throwing money into a game that's no longer fun. Besides, In September they will take away a lot of content, just to recycle back the Cosmodrome and some other old content... plus hopefully a few new things. Really?? Is that how it's going to be from now on? If I want to play Cosmodrome or VOG, I just go play D1. I don't need to pay again to get it back, right? For now I have no reason to continue playing. Good job, Bungie! (PS: if all casuals who don't enjoy CBMM stop playing it, I am pretty sure Bungie is going to do something about it. Just a thought... BOYCOTT CBMM Crucible!!!!)

I fight people lagging more now and nothing but stacked teams.

I think a lot of the 'lag' in SBMM was simply cheaters engaging in network manipulation. D2 has never been 'laggy' for me the way D1 was (where D1 Iron Banner in particular was a constant lagfest), so for me in D2 it became obvious when someone was lagswitching, because: 1) someone I spent half the match killing over and over again, suddenly can't be killed; 2) a match that started off not laggy at all... suddenly becomes laggy until the opposing team that was losing badly has suddenly outpaced my team in the middle of the match; 3) I only start lagging when certain 'top-scoring' players on the opposing team either see me on the screen, or when I'm not actively crouch-walking all over the map (i.e. when I show up on their radar)... almost like they're hitting a lagswitch every time they see any red on their radar; 4) when I play my Hunter with Gemini Jesters is the only time the pattern of lag changes to where I only hit lag as soon as I activate Jesters and their radar goes blank... again, almost like they're hitting a lagswitch every time they know I'm around; 5) 'Top-scoring' players on the opposing team start t-bagging me every time they kill me, even when I'm only using Actium War Rig and Sweet Business, not OEM or Antaeus; 6) 'Top-scoring' players on the opposing team are easy kills when I crouch-walk around the map and shotgun them in the back, or voop them from behind, or just straight pop their heads one at a time using my Medley-45 (Firmly Planted 600 RPM Y1 AR FTW ;P) Point being, even under SBMM, the 'lag' was only ever 'convenient' for the opposing team, which would suggest deliberate network manipulation, which makes sense since SBMM makes for closer matches, sweatier matches where every player has to try their best, which also means that it is much more a measurement of skill than CBMM, so players' egos are on the line, so of course cheating subpar players are going to cheat to win, since they have no hope of winning without their lagswitch. And I'm not even counting the countless weasel and baboon errors (drophacking), getting lagswitched so hard that you can't even respawn (black screen glitch where you can hear the sounds of combat raging around you, but you only see a black screen and can't do anything except look at your equipment menu or Director (sans a lot of information)... or indeed, the DDoSing. And sadly, it's not like any of this has changed under CBMM, except under CBMM, it's much easier for subpar 6-stacks to win without cheating, since they can steamroll random blueberries who are far below their skill level. Even with CBMM, I'm still getting the 'convenient lag', still getting drophacked out of matches if I kill the 'top-scoring' players on the opposing team too often, still get DDoSed. CBMM just makes it so cheaters have to cheat less often since the CBMM has pitted them against players so woefully inadequate with no idea what to do that even cheaters don't need to cheat to beat them.

Cbmm vs sbmm is a double edged sword. Choose the casual side and you stab the hardcore pvp'ers in the back and ruin their fun at the game. Choose the hardcore side and the casuals are suffering. But how i see it, sbmm has been in the game for awhile and let the hardcore side enjoy pvp again for a while. Eventually we need to reach a balance. I got tired of pvp by having to play the meta. I can finally just put on a fun loadout and not be a useless blueberry for my team. Both side are egotistic in their choice of preference for MM. There will always have to be a losing side and ppl that end with a less than positive score, we cant be all winners. Because it will lose its meaning. We all want to have fun but in pvp that fun will always be at the cost of someones elses suffering. I hope i didnt make many grammatical errors its not my main language.

[quote]I'm not learning map awareness from the ultra god no scope snipers. I'm not learning how to aim better when I fight someone who just insta kills me with their friends whenever I peek a corner.[/quote] This is the area you need to improve on. I'm not having a go at you, but if you know that some God on the opposing team has a sniper, then stay away from the sniper lanes and attempt to attack him closer than his scope can handle. If someone has a shotgun, stay at a safe distance where you know you can kill him before he/she finds cover and gets closer to you. I find that if you realise you see more than one person and you are on your own, leg it and group back up with the team. You will die less often and will probably succeed more often. Weapons that operate well in mid ranges are best for this kinda stuff. Gnawing hunger is an absolute monster right now and Outbreak Perfected melts anyone in it's intended range. I suggest you try it.