Here is a great post from user SteelPaladin1997 adressing the shit tier magic analogy: "Okay, since the Magic: the Gathering analogy that was used in the post keeps coming up, here is why they do what they do and why it doesn't apply to Destiny: * MtG is a purely physical card game (unlike some newer collectors games that involve a digital aspect, like X-Wing 2.0). This means a card cannot be patched. The only option to update it is to issue a new version and cycle the old one out (or add it to banned/restricted lists). This obviously does not apply to Destiny. * Rotating cards out does not actually create new interest/diversity; it just trims things from the design space to give room for the new set theme/mechanics/synergies. MtG needs to do that because cards from across its long lifespan can be put together in devastating ways if unrestricted; lots of Vintage builds can effectively end the game as soon as it begins. It is that synergy that is the problem and what would straitjacket the design team if they had to build around it as it continued to grow; individually overpowered cards are still dealt with by restriction/ban (what would be patching in a video game). * Mr. Smith claims the same reasoning for "needing" to limit the number of active weapons in Destiny, but the design space for the game is massively less complex than MtG. Taking out 24 cards for lands, an MtG deck has 36 "slots" (22 slots in a 40-card Limited deck w/18 lands). For weapons, a Guardian has 3, and each one is restricted to a class of weapon (so they have completely separate and non-overlapping pools to draw from). A Guardian can also only be actively using one of those guns at any moment (and abilities that let one gun affect others are limited), rather than having whatever number of cards are in your board plus whatever Instants/Sorceries you can play on a turn. Destiny should be nowhere near the place where they need the crutch of shelving old weapons or they won't be able to add new things that aren't pointless or game-breaking. * Bottom line, block rotations for Destiny is a cop-out 'solution' that lets them keep churning out stuff that you have to work for all over again while simultaneously shrugging off any responsibility to their previous design mistakes because "it will just cycle out," with the added bonus that they don't have to be as creative and thoughtful in making new gear because they can just offer you rehashes of 'obsolete' guns you already had." Edit: from Kaella: "Every single "pro" of sunsetting I've seen anyone post on this subreddit, without exception, relies on some stupid one-liner truism like "This gives them room to make new weapons!!!!" or "Other MMOs make your gear obsolete so it's fine for Destiny to do it too!!!" No further analysis of whether those arguments are really true, or to what extent, or whether the problems they solve are worse than the problems that they cause. Just a bunch of people who seem fundamentally incapable of thinking anything through, imagining a vaguely hopeful future for weapon sunsetting that they don't understand themselves. Conversely, every single post I've seen that does think these things through comes to the same conclusion: There is a hypothetical way for weapon sunsetting to improve the game, but only if Bungie is willing to put in the work to fundamentally overhaul the loot system to support it - and if that work isn't done before implementing sunsetting, it can't just be thrown in after the fact or put off to Year 5, because the damage done at that point will be irreversible. Bungie seems to be unwilling and/or incapable of making those kinds of foundational shifts, and so sunsetting moves from the "hypothetically, this could be good" column, to "absolutely the worst idea Bungie has come up with for Destiny since D2 Year 1". The idea that it's about "power creep" is especially galling when it's coming after basically three consecutive seasons of drastic power reduction in player gear. The game is closer to being on the verge of a power collapse, like D2Y1, than it is to being adversely affected by power creep. Power creep is a problem, but it is not a very bad problem to have, because it's creep - it's slow. You won't kill your game by power creep unless you let it run absolutely rampant for years on end, and never do anything to curb it. You can afford to leave power creep in your game for several seasons without really doing any long-lasting damage - and undoing that damage is easy, because you can do it gradually, letting off a little pressure at a time. Power collapse, on the other hand, is life-threatening. People get bored, people get frustrated, and people quit the game, fast. A lot of them will never come back, under any circumstances, and of the ones that do, you have to really hit a home run to convince them. Most games don't survive it. Fewer can survive it twice."

2015 bungie already went back on that statement and retired ALL year one gear including the exotics. This is not the first time gear had been sunset.

Yep. And it was a promise that they never had any hope of ever keeping. Like promising to pluck the Moon from the sky and set it in a ring on your finger. I said it back then that they’d never do it without breaking the game, and that they’d be forced to have to take gear from us. And here we are finally. Bungie finally admitting defeat and that they have to play by the same rules of game design that everyone else does. Get mad. They deserve it. But if you love this game, let them do what they have to do. Otherwise this game will be a lame horse until it finally dies. And being unwilling to put down a crippled horse isn’t kindness. It is an act of selfishness and cruelty. Condemning the animal to pain and disability until it dies anyway.

Bungie only listens to STREAMERS. The sad this is the streamers want new weapons / sunsetting to create new content to keep their money train going. Streamers are what is wrong with the game. They represent .01% of the community but have the loudest most annoying voice.

The sad thing is Bungie will just bring back the sunsetted weapons and force you to regrind them with new perks. The only reason they are sunsetting is people are happy with gear and don't want to grind newer events for worse loot. My opinion of course.

You know I'd be more okay with this stupid mantra Bungie has for "cycling out" weapons and armor if they had a track record of cycling in new weapons and armor that actually felt on par with the ones they cycled out. But this has never been the case. In every attempt to do this I've been forced to try and reconstruct builds that were taken away from me from these waves of obsolescence and in the end they turn out to be frustrating reminders that I am forced to play like this because "Bungie decides Guardian's fates", that what I had was fun but now I am forced to play this way because Bungie wants us to play with their new toys that don't match up to what we had and doesn't exactly fit the way I play. If it sucks as badly as the last time they tried this then it will result in the same thing that happened last time. I'll take a break, Bungie will eventually realize they messed up...or as they will put it "pushed it too far and now we are dialing it back with Infusion 2.0 with some new convoluted material or resource to grind for" and release Forsaken that fixes the issue. This has been a reoccurring pattern since D1. I swear it feels like I am stuck in a Vex time loop. Release something crappy due to bizarre business mantra, player base gets annoyed, player base bleeds, Bungie releases a huge expansion that fixes it, Destiny gets into a good spot, Bungie get comfortable trying to reintroduce said mantra in a new iteration, doesn't work, player base gets frustrated, bleeds, new expansion released fixing the issue, mantra reintroduced....do you not see a pattern here? I am okay with trying new things, but this planned obsolescence has been tried since the birth of D1, it isn't new and every iteration has failed. So why are we still coming back to it?

Sunsetting has always been a thing why are you getting upset now

I said a lot of things too back in the day. Sometimes, things just don't pan out the way we'd like. I'm ready for sunsetting. Haven't had to chase any new weapons since I got Mountaintop and Recluse in Y2

Does anyone else find it ironic that The Lie community quest is all about earning a weapon that was used for years on end by one person in any activity they participated in, while the rest of us have our weapons sunset to make such a feat impossible?

Yeah that quote has not aged well lol!

I’m sorry, but was that not 6 [i]years[/i] ago, in a [i]different game[/i].