sooooo......I guess they are doing it to armor now.....yaaaaaaaay 10 out of 10. This is going to make every raid in the game useless pretty much. I use the Vestian Dynasty in the first game and now I use it in the second game I have over 44,000 kills with it in D2. The Vestian Dynasty is not super broken and that's the same with a lot of guns we all use. I bonded with that Weapon It's My sidearm it's like taking Star Lord's blasters away or taking away Captain America shield it just doesn't work. My friends, I play destiny with have been my friends forever and I know most of them in real life, we all have played since D1 year one. 10 of us play destiny almost every day on Xbox and I told them the news and they are just pretty much leaving after this drops and it sucks...it really does. all the cool Adventures we have been on together and all the conversations we've had while doing it has added up to almost nothing because of this. I know I won't feel the effect of my weapons dying for about 7 months or so but still and now I have to grind out all the materials to Masterwork my armor and weapons....with guns I don't wanna use.....and with new people. how long are we supposed to grind for? how many times are we gonna have to find our guns and armor? hell bring back the cosmodrome and Venus and put some kind of giant treasure hunt on it or something. Make Destiny....well...Destiny instead of destiny 1 and destiny 2. bring back factions/faction rallies, bring back Sparrow racing, bring back Vex offensive, bring back all the modes and maps for PvP, bring back the sundial and bring back all the old raids and weapons, make the game huge and crazy. maybe I should have made a new post for this I'm not sure. I'm new to the forums, to be honest. sorry about the grammar as well. oh and I don't care if the game is 210 gigs if people love this game they won't care I'm sure. I love this game. I met my best friend here. Bungie gave us adventures and New Friends but i can't support this...it goes against everything we all worked for and I'm not mad about you guys who like this at all but yeah, I gotta head to bed. I'm bad at writing sorry this probably is a mess.

If 62 percent of the playerbase quits, then it is done for D2. For me and for a lot of players. Honestly there are plenty of games on market, and personally I have choices all around, I will please myself with another game and never come back. I despise companies that knowingly sabotages the time we spent on a game, and WE WILL NOT GRIND OUR GAINED STUFF AGAIN. I will probably stick around the next two seasons, play my spent money, but I definitely won't buy Year 4 DLC and please if you hate it, then don't buy the next DLC too, this is the way companies will listen, otherwise this game will go down in the toilet, and nobody wants to see it fail like this.

Pinnacle/Ritual weapons should be exempt as well. And they should STAY exempt. None of this “For now” nonsense. Bungee can do what they want but this is the same attitude they took after Taken King that made D2 @ launch a raging dumpster fire. Old habits die hard. What’s next? Back to static rolls?

Shrinking the active weapon list is Bungie's way of cutting D2 support overhead costs. They are not doing this for the benefit of the players nor the game.

I love how they nerfed half of the weapons and then retired the other half. Back on that hamster wheel folks! Yeah LOL, I'm out. See ya.

Time spent farming or grinding is now wasted. I really need The Division 2 to hold up until Cyberpunks or a new Battlefield is released. I'm considering not grinding this game if retirement is constantly on the menu.

Hate it. It's utterly pointless, devalues time already spent acquiring items, devalues items themselves and adds nothing but more incentives for Bungie to be lazy and self destructive by putting their own comfort and convenience ahead of player satisfaction. There is no upside for the player in having Bungie just constantly reskin weapons and armour every 2 or 3 seasons. The main argument they make for this is powercreep, which doesn't exist in this game, yet despite that fact you'll find no shortage of fanboys decrying it to be a massive problem without ever being able to give examples that demonstrate it is, but giving plenty of example that demonstrate they have no idea what powercreep is. Then the defence of this notion falls between 2 main camps of people. The first are people who literally live in the game and just want a bunch of new stuff to chase. These people are typically YouTubers and streamers. Content creators have a vested interest in having 30 guns a month to chase and review, so they're advocating for their own interests in this regard. These people however come with an associated subset, namely their fans, who mistake the interests of a content creator for popular sentiment. Their fans just think that these ideas and arguments are indicative of the kind of mentality you should have if you're a hardcore player, which they want people to think they are despite the fact that they're usually nowhere near hardcap on any character and have never set foot in a 980. The second camp are a weird mix of contrarians who want to flaunt the fact that they played Destiny 1 and want everyone to know that fact by reminding people that this happened in The Taken King. Why they feel that it's important to remind people that Bungie have already made this mistake in the past and didn't seem to learn anything from it, is a mystery to me. It also baffles me and most probably other PC players that the player base went along with this the first time around. However what does it say that Bungie seem to be in a constantly cyclical development cycle? It says that they have no direction and are creatively bankrupt, which is why they have the same people making the same mistakes again and again and again. Which is more reason to be sceptical and for players to advocate in their own interests.

Love it. Rather than creating content that resembles a chore players can farm to get very specific loadouts, they'll need to focus on creating enjoyable content to keep players engaged.

Love it. Why? Because I'm tired of grinding for the same weapon with the same roll over and over just to put it in the vault. If this truly leads to more unique weapons, I'm all for it.

I'm good with this change as long as: A) It won't affect any exotic item ever. B) It won't affect any legendary acquired via a quest line, i.e. pinnacle and ritual weapons in general ever. Exotics, exactly because they are exotics. Pinnacle/ritual weapons because they should be more important than random drops throughout the destiny universe. Just my 2 cents.

Hate it on every level. I don’t care if they retire the entire loot pool and replace it with new stuff but I’m dead set against capping weapons that we have grinded for the perfect rolls. It’s unacceptable and as always, will create more unintended issues in the game. In all fairness they can’t put in hot fixes without shutting the game down to roll everything back. I also don’t want them allocating their limited resources, that have been pointed out, to capping weapons when there’s so many other things that should be addressed in the game. It’s a failed business model to take things away from a consumer. It’s something that failed in D1 and they walked back from. I’d like to see a season of fixing things instead of this nonsense. Another thing I thought about was cores. I’ve materworked so many weapons it isn’t funny. So eventually deleting the weapons gets some back but it’s absurd with the amount of work put into getting the weapons, then the work to get the cores to masterwork.

In conclusion most players hate it

[b][u]Weapon Retirement:[/u][/b] This change could be [i]horrendous[/i] or it could be [i]incredible[/i], the outcome of this is based entirely on how it’s executed. So here’s a few questions: What happens to the weapons we’ve earned before the [u]previous[/u] change to seasons? [b]A.[/b] Will they be capped at there current power (960-970)? [b]B.[/b] Will they be reverted to there original max light of when they were first acquired? What happens to all the weapons we [u]earned[/u] in those “reimagined” seasons? [b]A.[/b] Will they be infusible for the next 9-15 months? [b]B.[/b] Will they be locked at the current power cap? When does this “NEW” vision for Seasons take effect? [b]A.[/b] Now? [b]B.[/b] Within a month or so? We need answers to changes that are this big. One of the biggest problems with the Directors Cut’s are how many things are left unanswered. [b][u]Here’s my biggest worry:[/u][/b] With this “NEW” vision, how many weapon archetypes will you release each Season? [b]1.[/b] Will you cover ALL different ranges (short, mid, long)? [b]2.[/b] Will you cover ALL different ammo types (kinetic, special, heavy)? [b]3.[/b] Will you cover ALL different archetypes (primary, secondary, power)? [b]4.[/b] Will you cover ALL different singes (arc, solar, void)? [b]5.[/b] Will RNG be tuned way the hell down to accommodate for pointless grinding? If you only plan on releasing say sidearms and submachine guns, then hopefully you can see why that’d have us all worried! Also, what about random rolled weapons? It CANNOT take us months to earn decent weapons when they’re going to expire a few months later. There’s just way to many questions we have about this “NEW” vision... You’ve got us all in panic mode! We’re scared about what [i]could[/i] happen instead of looking to the future with hope. For the love of Destiny, please give us some answers!

While I personally dislike losing the weapons I love, I see the need for it. Hear me out. I’ve had a lot of “you had to be there” moments throughout my engagement with this franchise. The ones revolving around weapons have never been about actually using them. It’s always about the grind to acquire. When I think back on something like Randy’s Throwing Knife, ill always remember how tedious getting all those medals/scout rifle kills was. When I ask my friends what they remember about Not Forgotten, they say the climb to acquire it. Being super sweaty in comp. the feeling of relief when it was finally theirs. That’s the memories I want. If they’re willing to “retire” guns and give us more memories like the ones I mentioned above, I’m ok with letting go. For the sake of argument, (before I hear but re-skins....) Randy’s is basically Black Scorpion. It has been happening since the beginning. And I’m sure it’ll continue. I’m not going to complain. I’m simply going to keep playing for the next big thing. I’ll keep making those memories.