Both sides of this argument are incredibly flawed. SBMM in quickplay isn't the answer. Quickplay is the equivalent of non elo chess matches, or pick-up basketball games. They are for fun, and not tiered off in ranking. At the same time there has to be some SBMM in QP, as amazing players rarely play novices, even for fun. The reality is QP should not matter, at all. Right now if you want to play with friends, are considered an A-hole no matter the playlist, which is kinda messed up. But at the same time I get the complaint 100%. The real answer was invented a long time ago in sport. It was seasonal leagues broken up into skill tiers. This is basically what a real ranked playlist is. It is what Overwatch tries to be. The current comp/ranked play-mode we have now is not a real ranked playlist. It rewards gaining glory, and has been adjusted multiple times to make it easier. The matchmaker is busted, and always has been. They need to scrap it, and rebuild. Rank is not a grind stat. I was so excited for ranked in comp, then it was a completely different gamemode, different player counts, and a rank system that wasn't real. I don't care about comp at all now, but if it was a real ranked playlist that mirrors the normal PvP experience, I would, just like I did in OW. The Crucible should be broken into 5 playlist: Quickplay (minimal SBMM) - Go and have fun, stats are recorded but no one cares because it isn't the real PvP playlist. 3v3 Survival (true ranked mm) - a more intimate playlist designed around small team play and map control. 6v6 Clash ( true Ranked mm) - bigger team engagements designed around fragging as a team. It can be played for fun at lower ranks, or played seriously at higher ranks. Rumble (SBMM to practice 1s) - The place you go to practice individual gun-skill. Rotational and Event Playlist (moderate SBMM) - Iron Banner and Mayhem go here. Players that want to play even skill matches, play in the ranked list. Then they know where they are at skill-wise. They have the opportunity to improve if they want, or they can chill at their skill tier. QP literally wouldn't matter, and truly is the place to go and do whatever you want. No one would care about QP stats, because rank would be more important. Somehow overwatch took the idea of a ranked playlist and destroyed it. Now it literally is full of people with massive anxiety. I think the constant game after game up and down rank score is what does it. You should not be shown that every game, and instead be shown percentile tiers within your rank. You should have an idea of how close you are to improving to the next tier, but not enough that a loss or win will greatly change what you see. Right now comp doesn't matter, and the matchmaking is broken. My 1.0 KD friend complained about being stuck at 4100 last night. In a real ranked playlist he never would have got there. That is just cruel. If you look at the leaderboards for survival players, it is just them stomping people every match, and most of those they stomp are at ranks they never should have got to. The idea of adding SBMM to QP is a system designed to shroud and coddle mediocrity. It allows people to never have any idea of how skilled they are, avoids people being told they are bad/average, and stunts improvement of new talent. QP should not matter at all, and those stomping in QP wouldn't be if a real ranked playlist was a thing. Who cares what their KD is when there is a true indication of skill. They likely wouldn't even stack QP. If they stacked in Ranked, they would receive reduced gains, and increased losses. People that play them would lose almost nothing, and gain more from wins. This keeps it in check. Like I said, both groups are wrong. The current mentality in games is to make people happy, never tell them they are average, and do everything to keep them playing and spending money. Back when Halo 2 and 3 were the major games, playing and improving was the game. Now most games are hamster wheels that give you dopamine shots as rewards for doin nothing. It may make you satisfied, but you are still basically doing nothing.