Or had something to do with their creation. Biggest reasons I say this are as follows. EDIT: I'm adding some thoughts to the end of this post that came up in conversation with a friend IRL. The basic Ghost, when seperated into it's different pieces and reduced to it's primitives is made up of 8 pyramids/tetrahedrons and a single sphere. [spoiler]When boarding the pyramid ship, the Darkness takes over our Ghost with practically no effort once we are in close enough proximity to it. Not another word is mentioned of this ease of assumption of control.[/spoiler] While it is believed that the Ghosts were created by the traveler, there is no evidence of this. What we have is hearsay passed down from generation to generation. In the lore it is stated that the Ghosts were made from shards of the traveler but again, there is no concrete evidence that I can point to, to show that this is indeed the case just some stories with abstract descriptions. There is also no real understanding of how the Ghosts use the light to raise guardians from the dead. Though in the lore it is speculated by a cult in the City that Ghosts resurrect their guardians from a template taken from another timeline. If true, time travel is something that the Darkness is quite adept at as made apparent by the Vex's abilities, that is of course assuming they got their knowledge of time travel from the Darkness and not by means of their own volition. Another reason I think the Ghosts were created by the Darkness is that in one of the Ghost Stories lore a lecture is being given by two Guardian-less ghosts named Balthazar and Peach. Balthazar describes in metaphor what it believes it experienced before being born. The other ghost, Peach, says that it does not remember anything and claims that Balthazar is lying. What is most interesting about Balthazar's metaphors is that he describes being in a dark place filled with points of light, a description similar to stars in the black of space. All of is this is pure speculation of course, but it's something that has been bothering me since I boarded that pyramid ship and having recently 3D printed a Basic Ghost shell for myself to decorate and seeing it's individual shapes in my hands. What bothers me most of all is that there isn't even a second thought by your Ghost or anyone else as to how or why the Darkness was able to just assume direct control over our Ghosts. And looking at the Unveiling lore book, I'm half tempted to say that Traveler was the new rule created by the Gardener, and that this new rule got out of hand. This new rule would help those who drew strength from heterodoxy (established beliefs/standards) and reward those who make space for new complexity (variation/life maybe?). Something to ensure there is someone always building something new. The Winnower, (to winnow means to separate with air (Eliksni whirlwind comes to mind)) dislikes this new rule and claims that things that should not exist will come into existence and that regardless the ultimate outcome will be one final shape that overcomes ALL others (sword logic?). That those things that exist, exist because they are stronger and therefore have a right to exist. Where the Gardener seeds life, the Winnower prunes it back letting only those things that were strong exist. But once this new rule was made, things changed. EDIT BELOW-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If made by the Darkness, it's possible that the Darkness uses the Ghosts to raise guardians from the dead, who are intimately tied to the Traveler. Why do this? Well, so long as humanity is draining the light of the Traveler for it's own purposes, then Traveler isn't going anywhere. But, if the Ghosts really were created by the Traveler, then Darkness' ability to assume direct control is an impressive display of power. However, a third possibility came to mind. What if the Ghosts were made by Golden Age humans who saw the inevitable end. Ghost Fragment: Future War Cult talks about a Golden Age device that would allow the users to glimpse the future. Interestingly, some of those who used the machine spoke of meeting a stranger who was also themselves (Shadowkeep ending comes to mind). Rasputin doesn't seem to see the Ghosts as a threat, nor does it acknowledge they were created by the Traveler. So the idea here is that the Ghosts were genetically paired with someone in the Solar system before the collapse. The collapse happens, and the Epoch Strategy that Ghost Fragment: Rasputin 5 speaks of goes into effect once an ALL CLEAR is given. Ghosts are then deployed all over the solar system to find their registered users. Now, according to GF: Rasputin 5, departure of the Traveler would put this at stake. If the Ghosts were created as a sort of paracausal weapon, then it would be safe to assume that they are capable of using the Travelers light. They may even have a piece of the Traveler built into them for the purposes of ensuring they have a connection to the light. After all, the Witches on the moon needed only a shard of the Traveler to drain it's light. I might have started this discussion, but y'all are keeping it rolling. Thank you to everyone who has joined in the conversation. This is proving to be some really interesting stuff.